I’ll note that Colbert has the highest viewership (and therefore ad revenue) in his time slot. This is almost surely about the Ellison family, which now controls CBS, wanting to silence him.
I’ll note that Colbert has the highest viewership (and therefore ad revenue) in his time slot. This is almost surely about the Ellison family, which now controls CBS, wanting to silence him.
As I said elsewhere, this isn’t a surprise and nor is this related to Trump. Television is dying in general, late night and talk shows being hit fairly hard during all of it. The studios put so much money into these shows but they’re constantly losing money because people are watching more on YouTube than anywhere else and they can’t get the same money there.
Don’t believe me? Believe Jimmy Kimmel who said a couple of years ago that he has no hope for Late Night as a format to be able to continue in the future. Kimmel will probably be the next to go. Large amount of money goes into that show and Kimmel doesn’t have all the shows Fallon has which means he won’t have the same pull in protecting himself.
People are gonna keep shouting this is about Trump and the merger but these conversations about Late Night and whether it’s worth it have been going on since Craig Ferguson left. Then you’ve got the fact that Conan, Samantha Bee, and Corden all had their late shows cancelled and no other late shows replaced them. If the studios didn’t replace them with another talk show it’s because they couldn’t see the money in filling that timeslot with a talk show anymore. Not to mention the fact that Colbert had about 3.4 million viewers in 2019 and was #1 Viewed Late Night Host. He currently has 2.5 million viewers and is #1 Viewed Late Night Host. Where do you guys think that those people went, exactly? Because no other Late Night show got a big bump of 900k viewers. Or where do you think Conans viewers went? Again, no big bump to Kimmel or Fallon. People just aren’t watching Late Night anymore.
This isn’t a conspiracy. It’s a trend. A blatantly obvious one that Late Night hosts have been joking about for years.
Edit: Keep the downvotes coming. If it helps your desperate little fragile brain sleep better at night, then by all means. You pressing a down arrow isn’t gonna make me sleep any less but if helps you sleep like itty baby? Go for it.
I wasn’t planning to down vote until the shitty attitude in the last paragraph. Fuck you, too.
Oh noooooooooo. Me being frustrated at me hitting -25 downvotes and adding an edit in calling it out has upset you. I am sooooo sorry.
You really don’t have to be so upset dude.
For what it’s worth I mostly agreed
Well yeah, some people cannot handle their opinions being challenged, but you are also guilty of insisting on a hardline that seems unlikely to be the only explanation. If media companies are looking to axe people, it makes perfect sense they would pick someone who is not growing while also deplatforming someone who speaks against their ideals. So Colbert lost almost 1/4 of viewership over 5 years, but how does that compare to Kimmel or Fallon viewership? Without a baseline for comparison, your statistics are just arbitrary. The Times even said that ad revenue is about half for all Late Night shows compared to 2018, but if there are also half as many shows, then the profit/loss should be similar.
Overall, I don’t believe anyone would cancel a show that still draws over 1mill viewers for “financial reasons”. Redo the budget, sure, but not cut the entire program.
Edit: well written and reasoned though. The comment was a good conversation contribution. It’s unfortunate downvotes always represent agree/disagree instead of productive/counterproductive.
Good point. I will grab that information. However, I will say that if Colbert loses a million viewers and neither one of the other ones manage to pick up those viewers? They’re clearly not going back into late night.
This isn’t the whole year but seasonal averages to a point for 2017-18. Variety says that the stats were
TheWrap says that for the 2018-2019 season, the stats looked as follows.
Deadline says the stats for 2019-2020 were as follows.
Deadline says for 2020-2021 the stats were as follows:
Couldn’t easily find anything for anything after that. The current 2.4 million viewer number is from all the articles talking about Colbert being cancelled. But even just from those years you can see the obvious trend. People were leaving late night.
Fun side thing I found was this. An article from 2 years ago talking about how Streaming is killing Late Night.
Oh I also found:
This medium post on Late Night dying
This HollywoodReporter article on how Late Night is downsizing.
Substack post on the death of late night
ScreenRant saying the last days of Late Night
Forbes article pointing out that Late Night shows are just recap shows
Fortune article talking about Late Night fading to black.
Even the New York Post saying it’s nearly over for Late Night
MovieWeb on Late Night embracing its descent into oblivion.
Radio Station WROR talking about why late night is dying
EVEN JIMMY KIMMEL SAID LATE NIGHT HAS NO FUTURE. Just went on a podcast and said he has no hope for the future of the format or for his own career.
But they didn’t cut off the series partway through a contract. They just decided not to renew Colberts or bother spending the money rebranding or bringing on someone else.
Colbert alone costs them $15 million per year and his contract was up for a renewal. They were either going to have to pay him the same or more. Maybe they could get away with less but most agents are not going to allow that. Either way a fight would have been had to pay him less. Then you’ve got the extremely prime location of the Ed Sullivan theater which could be used for a whole host of things. Then there’s paying the guests, the acts and the various departments that keep the show running. You could make running a late show pretty cheap but they just… didn’t. The Late Show with Colbert is a pricey thing to keep running.
I also want to say here that I’m not trying to defend CBS in cutting the show off. Frankly I couldn’t care one way or another. I used to watch him a lot and loved him but now I’m just sorta meh and don’t care. The thing that weirded me out was that this stuff has been being talked about for years with declining viewers and late night going away and seemingly everyones immediate reaction was SOLELY to point the finger at Trump. Like he may have been a factor but I seriously doubt he was the driving factor.
I do buy the financials line. They’re trying to look profitable for a merger and the show doesn’t drag in as much money as it could and signing another expensive contract with someone in a field that has a declining viewership? I don’t see how that’s just thrown out the window instantly just to say it’s to silence Colbert. Considering no one will stop talking about it… didn’t really work out that well, huh? Not to mention the fact that we had this shit over a decade ago with Conan. Colbert will be fine and will end up landing a job doing more or less the same thing while bringing over his staff. Dude cares about the people who work for him.
But my evidence more than anything? They’re a fuckin business trying to merge with another one. Literally the only thing that matters to them is profits and they’ve said they don’t want to get involved in pre-written long term contracts. The writing is on the wall here. It’s one shitty company absorbing another shitty company and everyone just started pointing the finger at… Trump.
I couldn’t give less of a fuck what makes these people boo when I’ve seen what makes them cheer. If they wanna downvote me with imaginary internet points that mean nothing to wrap themselves up in a comfy blanket and keep pretending then by all means.
That was some good rounding out of the data, thank you. I see better where you are coming from. Colbert being 15M per year is beyond crazy. I had no expectation of his salary being that high. Unless they were using him to pull more subscribers for other shows there is definitely no reason to have that salary on top of the production costs.
I wonder how many people are shifting to watching that content in clips instead of the whole show. The monologue, little bits, individual interviews. People may prefer to just watch the sort of clip and skip the rest, which is easier to do in YouTube instead of loading the episode up and seeking around.
If that were significant, it would suggest a different production approach, since there’s not much point in producing it in a continuous bit. Also the best person for a monologue may not be the best person to conduct an interview.
Of course it’s worth wondering why the most successful would be the next to fall, rather than the least. The other cancelled shows were generally the low performers. Maybe because it’s more expensive, or maybe because of appeasing Trump. The decline might have made it an easier decision, but they may have wanted to grease the wheels if the deal a bit
I was one of them. Pretty sure I’m not alone considering the sliding TV ratings and the large YouTube ratings. I had no interest in sitting around watching 5 minutes of ads in between clips when, even without adblocker because I wanted to support the show, I only had to sit through like 30-45 seconds of them. I stopped watching Colbert about a year ago but that was mostly out of mental fatigue of constant American news so I stopped watching Seth Meyers and stuff too.
There is the problem that one of those links I posted brings up as well. Late Night shows are basically recap shows but they’re really bad at doing so. They often film at around 4-5pm EST, at least Colbert does, so anything after that fact just won’t end up on the show until the next night. But we all have a phone in our pocket now that tells us the information instantly with social media that has everyone talking about it. Late Night hosts are no longer “talking about what the Nation is talking about”, like they often like to say. They talk about what happened yesterday. Honestly? If Late Night shows all went live every night instead of being pre-recorded? I think they’d do awesome. Colbert’s live shows got more numbers than any of his other ones. People were there for the IMMEDIATE feedback and they got it.
Recap and redundant content, oh look a musical guest… but I can hear any of those and way more on demand. An interview with a celebrity, who if I cared I could watch a ton of elsewhere. Of course some interview better than others, and seeing a Jon Stewart interview is worthwhile, but not sure if I’m in the mood to watch a monologue at the same time I’m in the mood to watch an interview. Which is really the big thing about these shows is that it’s a long set of not really connected content that used to make sense with broadcast television but makes less and less sense with on-demand video dominating.
Exactly. It’s a wide scale variety show that exists in a world where you can easily switch back and forth yourself. The medium as a whole is dying. If it was live at least you’d have instant feedback to what’s going on and an incentive to continue to watch, not hearing what is now effectively old news.
Right, those things are true, but they still don’t explain this decision. It was the #1 talk show for what, 8 years? No sane network would just cancel it. They would revamp, cut costs. Every business would extract the value from the brand before tossing its lifeless corpse off the boat.
The most plausible explanation for this show being canceled at this moment is to appease Trump.
“Right. It is true that Late Night is dying, that it is not making as much money as it used to, that the viewership is dropping. But I mean that doesn’t explain why they would cancel it.”
… what? That literally is the only reason to cancel a show unless there is some moral reasoning for it.
Which, like I said, doesn’t matter when all of Late Night is dying. All of it. In 2015, the Emmys split the Outstanding Variety Series into two. One of them was the Outstanding Talk Shows. In 2017, you had Nominations for Last Week Tonight, Full Frontal with Samantha Bee, Jimmy Kimmel Live, Late Show with Corden, Late Show with Colbert and Real Time with Bill Maher. If you go to last year? The Daily Show, Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyers, Colbert. This year? Daily Show, Kimmel, Colbert. The other shows are not getting nominations either because no one is watching it or because they’re cancelled. The entire award category is dying off and simply won’t exist 5 years from now.
They will if the entire format is dying which it is. Like… Colberts contract is due to renew next year. They’re not cancelling it. They’re just not renewing it.
No. It really isn’t. The most plausible explanation for this is that the Colbert show is following the exact same theme that every other Late Night show has had in the past few years. It is kind of a ridiculous conspiracy to jump to “Oh this is clearly because of Trump” from a single questionable moment when every other Late Night show has been cancelled or ended in the past 5 years. You have to actively reject facts to come to the conclusion that the Trump reason is “the most plausible.”
Do you have more information on the trend of shoes getting canceled or not renewed?
hmmmm….
And it is insanely conspiratorial for all of you to go “LOOK! THERE IS A SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE! IT IS CLEARLY TRUMP! THERE IS NO OTHER REASON!”
Meanwhile you’ve got Conan, Samantha Bee, James Corden, and
Lily Singhall standing on the side like “Well I guess we never existed then.” All of them cancelled. None of them being replaced by another Late Show.The pattern existed before Trump. Colbert’s contract was due to renew next year. This isn’t a conspiracy. Late Night is just dying.
Edit: I goofed. Lily Singh had her show replaced by the Amber Ruffin show.
Trump can be part of the reason without being the entire reason, can’t he?
Also, Trump has made it clear in the past that he thinks it’s strange to do something for free, even if it’s a normal part of your job, like appointing somebody to an office. If the deal requires approval from Trump, then it’s completely on-brand for him to try to milk it for all it’s worth. And I am sure that he’s petty enough that he’d nix a deal for a personal squabble, as long as he wasn’t going to lose anything huge.
This doesn’t have the ring of a conspiracy theory. It’s literally all out in the open. It’s a prediction based on how Trump usually acts. Colbert might have been on the ropes and Trump’s team did the knockout blow. I guess we’ll know for sure if Trump did do it, because then he’d inevitably brag about it publicly. Or CBS maybe did this preemptively, expecting Trump to act like he always acts.
Bro watched Qatar gift Trump a $400m jet and host a $1.5m per plate dinner, then was like “corruption in order to appease Trump??? ReDdIt CoNsPiRaCy!!! I must reach for a much less plausible explanation!!!” 🤡
We both know this is the Ellison family killing a show to appease Trump, a show that they also don’t politically agree with, in order to complete the merger that Trump’s administration must approve. In this poltical climate, you’re just playing dumb.
Lol, talk shows are cheap to make. Even small countries with small viewership can afford to out them in with miniscule viewership numbers.
Dramas are expensive. Talk shows, reality tv, panel shows, talking head shows. They are all cheap.
Sure, the viewership is dropping but its still multimillion. And they can just use the boys online for views too. The main drawz the celebrity guests, are free content as they are there to promote their latest project.
They can be cheap to make. American Talk Shows aren’t. They’re in a giant theater on broadway that they use for essentially nothing other than this one show. Then there’s Colbert’s price tag. His contract that he signed 3 years ago was for $15 million anually. That’s $45 million for 2.4 million consistent viewers over the past 3 years and that’s just him. That isn’t including the cost to guests, acts, writing, upkeep, and the dozen departments needed to run that show and fund everyones paycheque. But sure. That’s “Cheap”.
Yep for hundreds of hours of tv, that is topical with consistent, if dropping viewership, that’s cheap. Very cheap.
Comedy pilots or dramas can be millions to make for one episode that is never even seen.
They own the theatre that the filming is in, so it doesn’t cost them anything, apart from opportunity cost.
How much do you think that works out for one show, costwise and what’s expansive to make and what’s cheap to make? How much as revenue do you think is made for a show with 2.4m viewers.
Owning and maintaining that much downtown real estate is pretty huge and opportunity cost can’t be ignored. The late night studio as a big NYC thing is a matter of expensive prestige for a medium that might not evoke the same responses it used too.
I do think it’s conspicuous that the biggest show would be the next to fall and do not doubt appeasing Trump was a likely factor in doing it now, but I would not be surprised to see the medium die out in the age of clip sized videos on YouTube.
Lol, owning that much real estate would have made huge gains over the time period. Not a loss at all. You’re clutching at straws.
It’s not conspicuous that the biggest show would fall. It’s lies about the reasons for the axe. The show is critical of trump and they want a merger approved. It’s fascism.
I have no doubt that the large late night show is destined to end and be in the annals of history. Same for cable tv. Same for news on tv. However, being terminal in viewership does not suffenly make it unprofitable before a merger, particyof it’s the biggest show, worth the most viewers and minimal costs.
Real estate gains don’t really matter much so long as the real estate is tied up in actually doing something. Yes they can recoup years of costs if they sold it, but in the meantime owning means a number of expenses.
I am also inclined to think that Trump may be a factor, but then I also saw his point that Colbert had a 3 year contract that is up next year, and that means the network is now having to make the call whether they want to be doing this in 2029, and if they aren’t sure that’s the right way to address the market moving forward for three years, that might explain reluctance. If they might want to invest in a clip-centric format perhaps with a younger host, then this would be the point to make that call.
Lol, all the assets related to a production are considered. You think Disney would have bought star wars just for the films?.the cost of upkeep is an issue when you bring it up, but the gains aren’t? Talk about moving goalposts!
They are ending the show. Of they were unsure, they could have renewed year by year. They have not announced a replacement format, so you’re making stuff up now.
The facts we know if is that Colbert has been critical of the administration and the merger. It’s the most popular show. it’s cheap to make and would be profitable.
It’s kowtowing to Trump for the sake of a financial arrangement. I hope it fails.
Not if Colbert and probably a number of other people would have demanded a multi-year commitment if they were going to continue. For all we know Colbert was ready to hand things over to another host since he is in his 60s now, but the network didn’t want to bother. The replacement strategy was a hypothetical, they might instead invest in yet another drama or maybe a sitcom or something and not even try to fill the role that variety style shows historically filled and cede that to other media and independent streamers.
If they were so financially motivated that of course they should have wanted to keep the show running, they probably would have announced transitioning to a new host, perhaps behind the scenes insisting that they lay off the Trump coverage. Trump would have loved the narrative of personally getting Colbert out of the late night show that he himself used to be a part of a fair amount back in the 80s being interviewed by Letterman. Telling Trump they are “getting the woke out of the show” would probably make him even happier than just canning the entire show.
Trump might have been a factor in closing it out sooner, though if Colbert was of a mind to hand things over to a new host instead of going for another few years then that certainly would have been a plausible decision point too. It’s just hard to really know and it’s worth the caveat that any theory, Trump or otherwise, is speculative and might have a different level of accuracy than we can guess right now until the key people say more than has been said.
Bro they’re downvotes, who gives a fuck? Lol
That being said I’m personally of the opinion its a little of column A, and a little of column B.
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