WASHINGTON, July 11 (Reuters) - A California farmworker died on Friday from injuries sustained a day earlier when U.S. immigration agents raided a cannabis operation and arrested hundreds of workers, according to a farmworker advocacy group.
Dozens of migrant-rights activists faced off with federal agents in rural Southern California on Thursday. It was the latest escalation of President Donald Trump’s campaign to deport all immigrants in the U.S. illegally.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security said in a statement that approximately 200 people in the country illegally were arrested in the raid, which targeted two locations of the cannabis operation Glass House Farms.
Agents also found 10 migrant minors at the farm, the statement said. The facility is under investigation for child labor violations, said Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Rodney Scott in a post on X.
Is that simply an argument for open borders?
Sort of. But it’s not that simple is it?
It is if thats your position. I dont quite agree with open borders but I dont have great counter arguments either. Still trying to figure this one out. Why are you for open borders? How would you deal with exceptional situations that push the limits of the idea?
But I didn’t say anything about the border.
Just that if they’ve made it across and started a life here, eventually we have to acknowledge they live here. Simple as that
What problems could there possibly be with that? They still have to follow the law, they still have to pay taxes
After a point, let’s say a year and a day to match historical precedent, they should be able to go to a government office with pay stubs or whatever, and we formally acknowledge that they live here and haven’t caused any serious problems in doing so
They should also be able to prove this in immigration court to block a deportation, whether or not they’ve filled out paperwork
It’s just reality over paperwork.
Interesting idea. Would it still be prohibited to come to the country without approval? Would the people need to hide out for a year to make sure they dont attract attention too soon?
Sure, it could be. This is entirely different from the border - it’s about recognizing reality
And you can’t just “hide out” for a year, you’ve now just become a shut in. And how are you going to pay for it? How will you prove you’ve been here? Why bother coming here just to stay home?
I just get the vibe you think they’re getting something out of this, like it’s some system they can game. But it’s just common sense… They already live here. They’re already American, already part of our society. Removing them causes damage to all parties
Up until Clinton, this was a bipartisan stance, they just never ironed out the details
I guess if you dont really want to think much about it thats an okay answer.
It’s just a simple, clean, solutionn. All the incentives line up for all the players, it’s ethical, it’s practical, and it’s a sustainable system. It even has natural feedback mechanisms
You keep gesturing towards vague problems with the idea…I can’t do your thinking for you
You seem very concerned about the border - that’s a separate issue and must be handled separately. I think we should have open borders, but we’re not in a place where we can do it right now. Between the consequences of the war on drugs, certain trade restrictions, and the current tarrifs, it would have some pretty terrible knock on effects.
We also can’t take care of our own population properly due to cutting all the safety nets and letting capitol run free, so we’re not equipped to handle refugees, and being the only open border would mean a lot more refugees
So open borders are good, but a lot of ground work has to be done for that to be practical. But legalizing every illegal American? We can do that today, and it would be good for everyone