Chinese President Xi Jinping said that by 2035 his country would cut its greenhouse gas emissions by 7% to 10% from their peak, a day after President Donald Trump called climate change a “con job.”
I love when people get called out for being shitty, and the immediate defense is “you’re arguing in bad faith”
this wasn’t an argument. you said something stupid, I called you out for it. instead of criticizing the western world for doing checks notes fucking nothing about climate change, you’re going after the country investing billions into the climate for no other reason than you don’t like the government.
I’d be criticizing western countries if this article had been about the western world - but it’s not, so that’s not really relevant commentary. If I showed up to say something like “why aren’t western countries doing better” it would be a valid point, but would absolutely not address the issue - that china is in no uncertain terms absolutely failing the environment. Trying to deflect that with accusations of racism is… transparent, at very least because you have yet to address the criticism but only the form my argument takes.
Why are you so biased that you can’t even accept criticism of a group you support might be legitimate in an article explicitly about the actions of said group? People from the US do that all the time, what makes China special?
I’d be criticizing western countries if this article had been about the western world
ok, I didn’t even read further than that in your comment because it’s obvious you did not read the article at all. even the headline itself should give you a fucking clue, but the article heavily relies on comparing China to the US. you would have known that if you had bothered to get over your knee-jerk reaction long enough to actually read it.
Sigh. 4 out of 13 of the paragraphs in that article are about trump’s behavior and there isn’t even a mention of another country besides the US and china. Kinda hard to criticize what just isn’t there (at least, if you’re arguing in good faith…)
Shockingly you continue to not address the criticism, just the form of the argument. I can’t imagine why that would be.
Oh you know what, you’re absolutely right. The article (ten more paragraphs!) wasn’t loading due to their godawful… comment widget? I’m not sure what happened there. BUT I’ll amend my prior claim since Brazil is in there too! And while hardly a western-aligned country, and I am deeply skeptical of their ability to follow through on their claims, I’ll give them credit for thumbing their nose at both the US’ and China’s utterly pathetic showing with those climate targets. Here’s hoping they can stick to them, and that COP30 will follow in their example.
Hardly an article relying on contrasting the US and China, though I suppose quoting Xi that much really does throw some spectacular shade by putting trump’s whole… thing… as contrast.
ah, yes, the good old “you support the CCP because you criticized the US” line.
Uhm… no, I just think you’re arguing in bad faith. That’s been my whole thesis, and it’s maybe worth introspecting that you’ve directly jumped to being persecuted for supporting china instead of the thing I keep criticizing you for.
Why are you so biased that you can’t even accept criticism of a group you support
Wrong again.
Listen, it’s never gonna work out between us if you don’t even read your own comments. But I’ll give you credit, that’s the first time I’ve seen somebody strawman their own arguments.
Let me know if you ever wanna respond to the substance here (to reiterate: criticizing china is absolutely warranted, especially in light of how much better Brazil is doing) instead of issues to take with the form of the argument, it’ll be interesting.
Wrong again.
Bud that’s the whole point here - you’re supporting the group (edit: in this case the CCP) by rejecting legitimate criticism with bad faith meandering (accusations of racism and classic whattaboutisms). Despite your presumed personal position you 100% are supporting the utterly pathetic chinese environmental goals here.
Despite your presumed personal position you 100% are supporting the utterly pathetic chinese environmental goals here.
Did you ever wonder why everyone else in the comments is congratulating China? It’s because the rest is us don’t see an article about how China is doing the best out of all the countries in the entire world, and automatically go “hmm, it’s China and they’re authoritarian, so it’s not good enough”.
Of course they could do better. You can always do better. The rest of the world could do better. The point here is nobody else is doing anywhere near as well. You chose to focus on criticism because you do t like the politics of the nation leading the pack. China hasn’t even reached their goals, which again you would know if you read the article. But even their meager progress is far better than the goals the US has set, which is to go backwards and adopt more fossil fuels, cutting out as much renewables as possible.
So yeah, I’m supporting the progress China has made in reducing their dependence on fossil fuels. Any progress is progress, and they have more progress than anyone right now.
I love when people get called out for being shitty, and the immediate defense is “you’re arguing in bad faith”
this wasn’t an argument. you said something stupid, I called you out for it. instead of criticizing the western world for doing checks notes fucking nothing about climate change, you’re going after the country investing billions into the climate for no other reason than you don’t like the government.
I’d be criticizing western countries if this article had been about the western world - but it’s not, so that’s not really relevant commentary. If I showed up to say something like “why aren’t western countries doing better” it would be a valid point, but would absolutely not address the issue - that china is in no uncertain terms absolutely failing the environment. Trying to deflect that with accusations of racism is… transparent, at very least because you have yet to address the criticism but only the form my argument takes.
Why are you so biased that you can’t even accept criticism of a group you support might be legitimate in an article explicitly about the actions of said group? People from the US do that all the time, what makes China special?
ok, I didn’t even read further than that in your comment because it’s obvious you did not read the article at all. even the headline itself should give you a fucking clue, but the article heavily relies on comparing China to the US. you would have known that if you had bothered to get over your knee-jerk reaction long enough to actually read it.
Sigh. 4 out of 13 of the paragraphs in that article are about trump’s behavior and there isn’t even a mention of another country besides the US and china. Kinda hard to criticize what just isn’t there (at least, if you’re arguing in good faith…)
Shockingly you continue to not address the criticism, just the form of the argument. I can’t imagine why that would be.
wrong again.
ah, yes, the good old “you support the CCP because you criticized the US” line. you aren’t half as clever as you think you are, liberal, or you would know I’m banned from .ML and Hexbear and my whole post history is me shitting on tankies.
Oh you know what, you’re absolutely right. The article (ten more paragraphs!) wasn’t loading due to their godawful… comment widget? I’m not sure what happened there. BUT I’ll amend my prior claim since Brazil is in there too! And while hardly a western-aligned country, and I am deeply skeptical of their ability to follow through on their claims, I’ll give them credit for thumbing their nose at both the US’ and China’s utterly pathetic showing with those climate targets. Here’s hoping they can stick to them, and that COP30 will follow in their example.
Hardly an article relying on contrasting the US and China, though I suppose quoting Xi that much really does throw some spectacular shade by putting trump’s whole… thing… as contrast.
Uhm… no, I just think you’re arguing in bad faith. That’s been my whole thesis, and it’s maybe worth introspecting that you’ve directly jumped to being persecuted for supporting china instead of the thing I keep criticizing you for.
Wrong again.
Listen, it’s never gonna work out between us if you don’t even read your own comments. But I’ll give you credit, that’s the first time I’ve seen somebody strawman their own arguments.
Let me know if you ever wanna respond to the substance here (to reiterate: criticizing china is absolutely warranted, especially in light of how much better Brazil is doing) instead of issues to take with the form of the argument, it’ll be interesting.
Bud that’s the whole point here - you’re supporting the group (edit: in this case the CCP) by rejecting legitimate criticism with bad faith meandering (accusations of racism and classic whattaboutisms). Despite your presumed personal position you 100% are supporting the utterly pathetic chinese environmental goals here.
Did you ever wonder why everyone else in the comments is congratulating China? It’s because the rest is us don’t see an article about how China is doing the best out of all the countries in the entire world, and automatically go “hmm, it’s China and they’re authoritarian, so it’s not good enough”.
Of course they could do better. You can always do better. The rest of the world could do better. The point here is nobody else is doing anywhere near as well. You chose to focus on criticism because you do t like the politics of the nation leading the pack. China hasn’t even reached their goals, which again you would know if you read the article. But even their meager progress is far better than the goals the US has set, which is to go backwards and adopt more fossil fuels, cutting out as much renewables as possible.
So yeah, I’m supporting the progress China has made in reducing their dependence on fossil fuels. Any progress is progress, and they have more progress than anyone right now.