Kamala Harris' first stop on the "107 Days" book tour was interrupted multiple times Wednesday night by protesters denouncing Israel’s war in Gaza, but the former vice president pressed on with calm.
How many people decided not to vote? As I mentioned, it wasn’t just third party voters, but also those that chose not to vote. Also, to be clear, voters should not have been put in that position in the first place. However, they were put in that position, and given that there were only two possible outcomes to the presidential election, there really was only one sane choice to make. Unfortunately many chose a different one.
How many people don’t vote because they’re stupid or lazy? How many people don’t vote because they’re impaired? There’s a lot of old people walking around who haven’t voted their entire lives because they think, possibly correctly, that it’s a load of shit. It’s a nebulous number. Well, I voted. You started this tirade to attach third party voters. The non-voter is your bailey, “anyone who didn’t vote for Kamala” is your motte. I didn’t vote for Kamala because she openly and unwaveringly signaled that her policy was the same as Joe Biden’s. The policy in question is genocide. I don’t really give a shit what you or anybody else thinks about it, except to point out to onlookers the logical fallacies in the arguments you use.
You intended to take a principaled stand, and I would commend you on that, but unfortunately it functionally meant that you chose not to support the candidate that would have done less awful stuff. It’s a miserable choice to be faced with, but it is what was in front of the electorate. Be mad about that, work to make sure it doesn’t happen again, but when the decision comes, the responsible option is surely to look at harm reduction.
Yes, lots of people didn’t vote for a whole variety of reasons. Those who voted for third party candidates with no chance of winning effectively also didn’t vote. With a better system that wouldn’t be the case. Agajn, be mad about that, work to change it, and support candidates that want to change it, but when the vote comes take in to account whether they can win and what you can do to reduce reduce harm if they can’t.
People who knew what would happen if your party didn’t abandon its support for genocide warned you what would happen.
Centrist democrats thought they knew better and charged right ahead with a shit candidate with a single morally reprehensible policy and a timid little bunch of promises no one could trust after the previous 4 years of broken promises.
You were wrong. You lost. You should have listened. You have the opportunity to listen now. You don’t want to. You want to blame people who don’t support the only policy the party won’t back down on.
The problem is, it’s not really the dems who lost, it’s everyone who isn’t a fascist. The party as a whole isn’t really affected by this (and that’s a huge problem), and most of the candidates who lost their elections are part of the party and will just carry on. The way that changes is through pushing for, and supporting, candidates at all levels who support a better agenda, not at the ballot box.
The whole system sucks; be mad about it, push to change it, but I don’t think that those who voted third party, or chose not to vote think this, overall, is better than the results of Harris being in the White House, and they, combined, could have changed this outcome.
Ultimately this election is done, the situation is what it is, and, with a bit of luck, there’ll be elections next year and in '28 where some of this can start to be undone. I wish I was more confident in that.
How many people decided not to vote? As I mentioned, it wasn’t just third party voters, but also those that chose not to vote. Also, to be clear, voters should not have been put in that position in the first place. However, they were put in that position, and given that there were only two possible outcomes to the presidential election, there really was only one sane choice to make. Unfortunately many chose a different one.
How many people don’t vote because they’re stupid or lazy? How many people don’t vote because they’re impaired? There’s a lot of old people walking around who haven’t voted their entire lives because they think, possibly correctly, that it’s a load of shit. It’s a nebulous number. Well, I voted. You started this tirade to attach third party voters. The non-voter is your bailey, “anyone who didn’t vote for Kamala” is your motte. I didn’t vote for Kamala because she openly and unwaveringly signaled that her policy was the same as Joe Biden’s. The policy in question is genocide. I don’t really give a shit what you or anybody else thinks about it, except to point out to onlookers the logical fallacies in the arguments you use.
You intended to take a principaled stand, and I would commend you on that, but unfortunately it functionally meant that you chose not to support the candidate that would have done less awful stuff. It’s a miserable choice to be faced with, but it is what was in front of the electorate. Be mad about that, work to make sure it doesn’t happen again, but when the decision comes, the responsible option is surely to look at harm reduction.
Yes, lots of people didn’t vote for a whole variety of reasons. Those who voted for third party candidates with no chance of winning effectively also didn’t vote. With a better system that wouldn’t be the case. Agajn, be mad about that, work to change it, and support candidates that want to change it, but when the vote comes take in to account whether they can win and what you can do to reduce reduce harm if they can’t.
People who knew what would happen if your party didn’t abandon its support for genocide warned you what would happen.
Centrist democrats thought they knew better and charged right ahead with a shit candidate with a single morally reprehensible policy and a timid little bunch of promises no one could trust after the previous 4 years of broken promises.
You were wrong. You lost. You should have listened. You have the opportunity to listen now. You don’t want to. You want to blame people who don’t support the only policy the party won’t back down on.
The problem is, it’s not really the dems who lost, it’s everyone who isn’t a fascist. The party as a whole isn’t really affected by this (and that’s a huge problem), and most of the candidates who lost their elections are part of the party and will just carry on. The way that changes is through pushing for, and supporting, candidates at all levels who support a better agenda, not at the ballot box.
The whole system sucks; be mad about it, push to change it, but I don’t think that those who voted third party, or chose not to vote think this, overall, is better than the results of Harris being in the White House, and they, combined, could have changed this outcome.
Ultimately this election is done, the situation is what it is, and, with a bit of luck, there’ll be elections next year and in '28 where some of this can start to be undone. I wish I was more confident in that.
Everyone who isn’t a fascist lost when the “good” party supported genocide.