I appreciate what you’re saying, but nobody is forcing anyone to buy tickets.
Stop going to arena shows! That’s it! It’s not even that hard, support small(er) local venues. If you have to miss massive band/artist, que sera. If the band doesn’t give a shit, then it’s not worth it anyway.
Do you live outside of the United States or something? Or just not go to concerts? Live Nation owns almost all of the small venues too. They’ve bought nearly everything out, and the few remaining independent venues are on life support. And if you’re a local band, good luck. 20 years ago, venues would pay you to play. But now you have to pay them like $200 just for the privilege of playing at a small venue with a 350 person capacity. In my city less than 20 years ago, I remember being able to walk downtown in the music district on any day of the week, and there would be over a dozen venues right next to each other all playing something different. It could be a Tuesday night. Music was everywhere, and tickets were $6-20. But there was also tons of free stuff. But after the venues all got bought out, that all stopped. There’s not enough big money in music 7 days every week. A lot of venues now only have shows as little as twice a month. And then they’ll want to charge $70+.
Why shouldn’t we be outraged? Music culture is being destroyed. Your “stop going to shows” solution isn’t a solution. Nobody is going to concerts several times in a week anymore. What there once was has been destroyed. Live Nation needs to die.
Do you live outside of the United States or something
Uh… Most people do, luckily
Why shouldn’t we be outraged? Music culture is being destroyed. Your “stop going to shows” solution isn’t a solution. Nobody is going to concerts several times in a week anymore.
Well clearly a lot of people are still going to a lot of concerts unfortunately. Maybe if your country ever gets a more sane government, there will finally be an anti-trust case against LN. But honestly that is so unlikely, y’all are just gonna have to start shooting more CEOs. Maybe someone will do this guy next.
Edit: So apparently there IS an ongoing anti-trust lawsuit that started in 2024, but now all he needs is to pay Trump the usual fee, so idk how it’s going to end up.
Outside of the US, stuff is at least not as bleak. It’s a bit harder to destroy things that have been established for so long. Like in New Orleans, things had been established for a long time and it took a natural disaster (Katrina) to destroy the independent venues. But there are no protections against late stage capitalism in the US. Often, taxes alone will destroy independent venues. And yeah, I don’t have any hope in the US government doing anything to help. It would sooner call all music a form of terrorism and make it illegal.
I was just in a hotel last night and a local band was performing for free.
Can you believe that? I didn’t have to pay anything, I wasn’t even a guest!
But let’s be honest, going to shows for most people is so that they can say they went to the show. It’s part of the culture of consumption and exclusivity where you need to spend money in order to be part of the conversation.
Fuck that attitude, its wrong, they’re a bunch of greedy fucks that are extortioning fans
This goes for grand arena concerts but also for concerts in smaller venues. Seeing your favorite band, any band, big or small, is already unaffordable for me, and I’m considered fucking upper middle class. Going to a concert of a small band that is even remotely known in a small theater costs 100-200 dollars minimum through any of these fucksites like ticket master which is just insane.
I agree with everything you said. How do you propose sticking it to them?
I’m going to check out a band in November, $30 a ticket, at Kung Fu Necktie in Philadelphia. Not a TM venue. It’s a band I really want to see and so it’s so much sweeter that it’s not a TM venue.
I try to find the “local” venues that are near me (90m away or less) and just see who they have coming to town. I see bands on the schedule and look them up and hope they’re just not bad.
I’m mad too though. It’s fucking bullshit. And it’s even more bullshit that bands that I like are playing arenas when they have no business doing so. I hate that we’ve somehow moved to everyone should play arenas now. I just don’t want to go to shows like that, I can’t support it.
Yeah, I just can’t buy this being a victim thing. I’ll put the slider somewhere between nothing and victim, but you don’t need to see Taylor Swift. I’ll even accept that you need to see live music, but there is live music available at better rates and in smaller venues.
I do think the monopoly needs to be broken up, it I also think consumers need to be better. I swear, consumerism is such a problem in the US. They could literally write “Fuck You” on price tags and people would be like, well, fuck me I guess, as they buy shit they don’t need.
And I’m not suggesting we shouldn’t spoil ourselves, it’s all good, but if you complain about concert tickets and then go and spend 350-500$ on shitty seats in a stadium that sits 100k people, you need to do better.
Even victims’ lives go on, though. And many things are not “necessary” but still we used to break up monopolies, because they are a societal plague, not a consumer choice problem. So again, you are blaming people for not solving a problem that they cannot possibility solve.
Yeah, this ain’t food, or access to the Internet or some other utility. It’s concert tickets. And I agree they should step in to stop the monopoly, but at the same time consumers can exercise some modicum of restraint and not spend a fortune to go see shows. I’m not paying 500$ for tickets to see Blink 182, fuck that and fuck them for allowing it to happen. Cash grabs have become the norm for bands these days and I’m just not going to support that shit.
I appreciate what you’re saying, but nobody is forcing anyone to buy tickets.
Stop going to arena shows! That’s it! It’s not even that hard, support small(er) local venues. If you have to miss massive band/artist, que sera. If the band doesn’t give a shit, then it’s not worth it anyway.
Do you live outside of the United States or something? Or just not go to concerts? Live Nation owns almost all of the small venues too. They’ve bought nearly everything out, and the few remaining independent venues are on life support. And if you’re a local band, good luck. 20 years ago, venues would pay you to play. But now you have to pay them like $200 just for the privilege of playing at a small venue with a 350 person capacity. In my city less than 20 years ago, I remember being able to walk downtown in the music district on any day of the week, and there would be over a dozen venues right next to each other all playing something different. It could be a Tuesday night. Music was everywhere, and tickets were $6-20. But there was also tons of free stuff. But after the venues all got bought out, that all stopped. There’s not enough big money in music 7 days every week. A lot of venues now only have shows as little as twice a month. And then they’ll want to charge $70+.
Why shouldn’t we be outraged? Music culture is being destroyed. Your “stop going to shows” solution isn’t a solution. Nobody is going to concerts several times in a week anymore. What there once was has been destroyed. Live Nation needs to die.
Uh… Most people do, luckily
Well clearly a lot of people are still going to a lot of concerts unfortunately. Maybe if your country ever gets a more sane government, there will finally be an anti-trust case against LN. But honestly that is so unlikely, y’all are just gonna have to start shooting more CEOs. Maybe someone will do this guy next.
Edit: So apparently there IS an ongoing anti-trust lawsuit that started in 2024, but now all he needs is to pay Trump the usual fee, so idk how it’s going to end up.
Outside of the US, stuff is at least not as bleak. It’s a bit harder to destroy things that have been established for so long. Like in New Orleans, things had been established for a long time and it took a natural disaster (Katrina) to destroy the independent venues. But there are no protections against late stage capitalism in the US. Often, taxes alone will destroy independent venues. And yeah, I don’t have any hope in the US government doing anything to help. It would sooner call all music a form of terrorism and make it illegal.
I was just in a hotel last night and a local band was performing for free.
Can you believe that? I didn’t have to pay anything, I wasn’t even a guest!
But let’s be honest, going to shows for most people is so that they can say they went to the show. It’s part of the culture of consumption and exclusivity where you need to spend money in order to be part of the conversation.
Fuck that attitude, its wrong, they’re a bunch of greedy fucks that are extortioning fans
This goes for grand arena concerts but also for concerts in smaller venues. Seeing your favorite band, any band, big or small, is already unaffordable for me, and I’m considered fucking upper middle class. Going to a concert of a small band that is even remotely known in a small theater costs 100-200 dollars minimum through any of these fucksites like ticket master which is just insane.
I agree with everything you said. How do you propose sticking it to them?
I’m going to check out a band in November, $30 a ticket, at Kung Fu Necktie in Philadelphia. Not a TM venue. It’s a band I really want to see and so it’s so much sweeter that it’s not a TM venue.
I try to find the “local” venues that are near me (90m away or less) and just see who they have coming to town. I see bands on the schedule and look them up and hope they’re just not bad.
I’m mad too though. It’s fucking bullshit. And it’s even more bullshit that bands that I like are playing arenas when they have no business doing so. I hate that we’ve somehow moved to everyone should play arenas now. I just don’t want to go to shows like that, I can’t support it.
Right, but don’t blame the victims. Consumer choice cannot bust monopolies. It does not work that way.
Yeah, I just can’t buy this being a victim thing. I’ll put the slider somewhere between nothing and victim, but you don’t need to see Taylor Swift. I’ll even accept that you need to see live music, but there is live music available at better rates and in smaller venues.
I do think the monopoly needs to be broken up, it I also think consumers need to be better. I swear, consumerism is such a problem in the US. They could literally write “Fuck You” on price tags and people would be like, well, fuck me I guess, as they buy shit they don’t need.
And I’m not suggesting we shouldn’t spoil ourselves, it’s all good, but if you complain about concert tickets and then go and spend 350-500$ on shitty seats in a stadium that sits 100k people, you need to do better.
Even victims’ lives go on, though. And many things are not “necessary” but still we used to break up monopolies, because they are a societal plague, not a consumer choice problem. So again, you are blaming people for not solving a problem that they cannot possibility solve.
Yeah, this ain’t food, or access to the Internet or some other utility. It’s concert tickets. And I agree they should step in to stop the monopoly, but at the same time consumers can exercise some modicum of restraint and not spend a fortune to go see shows. I’m not paying 500$ for tickets to see Blink 182, fuck that and fuck them for allowing it to happen. Cash grabs have become the norm for bands these days and I’m just not going to support that shit.