A man was dragged from his car by enraged bystanders and shot after he plowed a vehicle into a crowd in Los Angeles, leaving seven people critically injured and at least 23 others hurt outside a nightclub early Saturday morning, police said.

Cameras in the area are still being canvassed, but the incident appears to have been intentional, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.

Two law enforcement sources familiar with the situation said the suspect was kicked out of the venue for being intoxicated and disruptive.

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    Right…but what does that have to do with abandoning principles?

    My point is that there is no uniform set of principles, and that crude forms of justice might not inherently conflict with their principles.

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      23 hours ago

      My point is that there is no uniform set of principles, and that crude forms of justice might not inherently conflict with their principles.

      So they just have no principles. Interesting defense.

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        Or just principles that are different from your own ethical construct. I’m no more defending the gunman than you are defending the driver, I’m just correcting your critique.

        In my personal opinion it’s not something I would condone, I’m also not going to lose any sleep over it. Tbh I don’t know how violent I would feel if some drunk loser ran over any of my loved ones, and I don’t think you really know either despite all your moral grandstanding.

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          In my personal opinion it’s not something I would condone, I’m also not going to lose any sleep over it. Tbh I don’t know how violent I would feel if some drunk loser ran over any of my loved ones, and I don’t think you really know either despite all your moral grandstanding.

          I’m not saying people “should feel bad” about it I’m saying they shouldn’t be advocating for lawless action just because they’re angry.

          And as it happens - I have a very good idea of what it would feel like. You don’t know me.

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            “I’m not saying people “should feel bad” about it I’m saying they shouldn’t be advocating”

            Interesting rephrasing considering I already said “In my personal opinion it’s not something I would condone”…

            And as it happens - I have a very good idea of what it would feel like. You don’t know me.

            I’m sure you know exactly how it feels to have your friends/family deliberately attacked in a mass casualty event by a drunk driver at a festival…

            Again, your feelings and opinions are just that… opinions. Your opinions are not more morally or ethically superior to anyone’s else’s just because you believe in them. Laws do not dictate morality or reality and are just as flawed as any other social construct.

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              Interesting rephrasing considering I already said “In my personal opinion it’s not something I would condone”…

              So then what are you arguing against then? You agree with me that lawlessness is not the answer. People in this thread shouldn’t be condoning lawless behavior.

              I’m sure you know exactly how it feels to have your friends/family deliberately attacked in a mass casualty event by a drunk driver at a festival…

              That’s a thread you don’t want to pull buddy.

              Again, your feelings and opinions are just that… opinions. Your opinions are not more morally or ethically superior to anyone’s else’s just because you believe in them. Laws do not dictate morality or reality and are just as flawed as any other social construct.

              Ahhh - post-modern “there is no truth” BS. No. My opinion here is definitely more moral and justified. It’s not simply my opinion either - it’s the conclusion of many enlightenment philosophers, scholars and legal minds. It’s the basis for the modern liberal democracy legal system that concentrates the power to punish in the government to provide for a stable society.

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                So then what are you arguing against then? You agree with me that lawlessness is not the answer. People in this thread shouldn’t be condoning lawless behavior.

                I don’t particularly care about “lawlessness”, as I said the law does not dictate morality. Just because I wouldn’t do something doesn’t mean I have the right to admonish others doing it.

                That’s a thread you don’t want to pull buddy.

                Lol, sure…

                Ahhh - post-modern “there is no truth” BS. No. My opinion here is definitely more moral and justified.

                Based on?

                It’s not simply my opinion either - it’s the conclusion of many enlightenment philosophers, scholars and legal minds. It’s the basis for the modern liberal democracy legal system that concentrates the power to punish in the government to provide for a stable society.

                Ahh, yes… The US legal system, widely known for being non biased and clearly has never been used to systemically repress entire segments of underprivileged society. The perfect system that has executed hundreds of innocent men…

                Many people are saying it… Must be true, no reason to actually argue your point on how this specific case is immoral. Why offer an actual argument when you can just appeal to authority and virtue signal instead?

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                  That’s a thread you don’t want to pull buddy.
                  

                  Lol, sure…

                  You know what? Screw you. I don’t have to dig up my past trauma to justify myself to an asshole on lemmy. Bye.

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                    You know what? Screw you. I don’t have to dig up my past trauma to justify myself

                    I didn’t ask you too? It’s just not really something you can use to supplement your argument.