cross-posted from: https://freefree.ps/users/faab64/statuses/114885039540867898

For as long as I live, I will never forget that the whole world watched Israel starve 2 million innocent people in Gaza, killing children on a daily basis and did nothing to stop it, even worse, punished those trying to end it and helped, funded, protected and armed the genocidal regime of Netanyahu.

#NeverAgain #NeverForget #NeverForgive #Gaza #Israel #Genocide #USpol #EUpol #Politics

@palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe @israel @lebanon @syria @iran

    • knatschus@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      2011·
      8 days ago

      It’s a self published opinion news story. I trust this author more than those rags like newsweek and the daily beast that get green light all the time on here

      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
        989·
        9 days ago

        Okay, so it can go in one of the like 500 communities where this is relevant. If it’s bigger than the rules, why did OP, with one exception, choose to do none of that and instead exclusively post it into news communities where it’s not supposed to be? Where it will quickly get removed?

        “This is bigger than the rules”, I say like a jackass, as I go post this into a community about artisinal cheeses.

        Fuck Israel. They are committing genocide through starvation. That’s why this deserves to go somewhere it’s actually supposed to be, and OP knows where those places are.

          • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            8 days ago

            It seems like @jordanlund@lemmy.world is the only active mod of this comm. Plausible it slipped past them. So in the event 1) the rules are actually enforced with literally any consistency and 2) jordan notices, it ought to be removed quickly. As best I can tell, our OP who was too lazy to just post one of the mountain of news articles lucked out.

            • jordanlund@lemmy.worldMEnglish
              2·
              7 days ago

              Yeah, I was offline doing “husband work” the last couple of days. I’m catching up now!

              27 unresolved reports in World… whee!

              lemmy.world DOES have a bot that notifies all mods when they start stacking up. I’ll see what’s up!

            • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.comEnglish
              2·
              8 days ago

              Wow, 1 active mod for a sub with this level of activity? I actually don’t know what would be considered typical, but gut instinct tells me more than 1.

            • Gaja0@lemmy.zipEnglish
              18·
              8 days ago

              I don’t have the bandwidth to explain if you don’t want to see it. He broke rule 1 and he’s a jackass for condemning child genocide in world@lemmy.world. Ban him. Based on what I see here, I’m sure artisanal cheese is way better suited for that type of discussion anyway.

              • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
                21·
                8 days ago

                Dude, I don’t even have the bandwidth to translate this comment into a coherent English paragraph. As best I can tell, it’s just a bizarre strawman about banning(???) instead of removing an off-topic post, and it’s done as a deflection from you “not having the bandwidth” (read: being unable because you know it was nonsense) to justify why you called it “card says moops”.

                • limelight79@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  8 days ago

                  I had to google it…I think he’s referring to the Burning Man term for “Matter Out of Place”. So I think he’s agreeing with you that this link doesn’t belong in this community.

      • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.worldEnglish
        173·
        8 days ago

        So think of it this way. A person signs up for lemmy, by choosing specific communities to join they are giving consent for a specific range of information to be delivered to thier screen. By breaking the rules of a community you are essentially violating the consent of the members of that community.

        I feel your struggle though. You want to do “something”. The vast majority of people on the planet do too. And there doesn’t seem to be a community for just bringing up a topic in general. I assume they are just too hard to moderate. But that doesn’t make it right to just break the rules of this community.

        • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.comEnglish
          1·
          8 days ago

          By breaking the rules of a community you are essentially violating the consent of the members of that community.

          Boards like these are public or at least quasi public spaces. No one is actually forcing you to read or engage with any specific post or comment.

          I would say that significant deviation from the intended content of the community is one thing. Personal attacks, intentional misinformation, arguing in bad faith, harassment, etc has no place. But claiming that OP “violated people’s consent” has a serious connotation, and I think it is a real stretch to apply that here.

          If the post bothers you enough, you can always report it and then simply ignore the post. Even block the OP, especially if they have a pattern of behavior that your find inappropriate.

          • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            8 days ago

            I didn’t imply any connotations. Any added to the phrase is done so by the reader. So it doesn’t invalidate the validity of the statement. People signed up for the content the community described. This post is not that. People are debating that, and I am sharing my opinion. Just because I could take various actions to prevent it in the future, doesn’t make the original action ok. Saying otherwise is just justifing more posts of this kind.

            • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.comEnglish
              1·
              8 days ago

              I didn’t imply any connotations.

              Imply? You straight up said, and I quote “violating the consent of the members of that community.”

              People signed up for the content the community described. This post is not that.

              Social media is never going to be 100% the content that is described in the sidebar or forum description. There’s always going to be some deviation, some off-topic, and some marginal content. I didn’t sign up for meta debate about whether the act of posting non-conforming content is violating people’s consent or not, yet here we are.

              Just because I could take various actions to prevent it in the future, doesn’t make the original action ok.

              The stakes on this are super low such that actions to prevent it in the future, and the options that you have available to you, are good enough. The original action may be dubious, but it frankly isn’t that big of a deal. OP didn’t post something that is abusive, misinformation, or otherwise harmful. Nor have they been spamming posts here. You are spending more time worrying about it than it would have taken you to simply ignore the post and move on.

              If this is truly an issue for you, you should stick to more tightly-moderated segments of social media. That may admittedly be difficult to find on Lemmy due to the lower user base; another commenter pointed out that there is only 1 active mod for this sub. You may find that the modding on some of the larger Reddit subs to be more to your liking.

              Anyhow, I’ve said my piece and I’m moving on.

              • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                8 days ago

                noun: connotation; plural noun: connotations an idea or feeling that a word invokes in addition to its literal or primary meaning

                The community rules don’t dissallow this meta debate, so yes, you did sign up for it.

                To you, this is super low stakes, but that may not be true to others.

                Overall, the issue is that if things like this are treated lightly, it will lead to more and more random pictures that are missing context, or in fact misleading. That dilutes the value of the community.

      • tacosanonymous@mander.xyzEnglish
        152·
        9 days ago

        Can I ask if you seriously care about downvotes? Also, some downvotes and one comment is a pretty low bar for “dog piling.”

        I get what you’re saying though. It’s important enough that it should be everywhere. But is that what op did? Idc enough to check every instance but maybe they didn’t and that’s why no one likes your comment?

        Ftr, I lean a bit in your favor for your original comment or at least your intention. I do downvote every post that bitches about downvotes though.

        • ORbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          3·
          8 days ago

          I feel like this is the issue that will haunt us forever if we don’t stand on the right side. That’s it. I’ve fought for Palestinian rights in one form or another since the second Intifada. My ex, a Jordanian photo journalist, opened my eyes to this 25 years ago.

          There’s no other moral or ethical way.

      • Seefoo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        44·
        8 days ago

        Legit confused on why you got down voted so hard. I am guessing people are confused by your comment, see the edit and decide to downvote you just because it feels right

  • asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    713·
    8 days ago

    https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/if-youre-still-supporting-israel

    If you’re still supporting Israel in the year 2025, there’s something seriously wrong with you as a person. You do not have a normal, healthy sense of empathy and morality.

    There’s no way to deny what this is anymore. If you still support Israel in the year 2025, it’s not because you don’t believe Israel is committing horrific atrocities. It’s because you believe those horrific atrocities are good, and you want to see more of them.

    • x0x7@lemmy.worldEnglish
      101·
      8 days ago

      Remember to never have respect for nearly any politician in congress no matter what party it is. Unless they spoke up they deserve less respect than dog shit.

    • DokkaeCat@lemmy.worldEnglish
      112·
      8 days ago

      Germany and Austria still have to support them, otherwise they instantly fight back with WW2 arguments which are all irrelevant by now.

      • x0x7@lemmy.worldEnglish
        121·
        8 days ago

        So they are scared of words? That’s a pretty bullshit excuse.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        32·
        8 days ago

        Germany and Austria never de-Nazified. Their governments are fully on board with the extermination of Semitic people.

        The Israeli Holocaust of the Palestinians is an extreme implementation of a policy of de-Arabization that Europeans have repeatedly endorsed across the continent.

    • unrigged6112@lemmy.worldEnglish
      105·
      9 days ago

      Israel just perfected the things that were done to them in ww2. They learned from the germans

      • asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        72·
        8 days ago

        They learned from the germans

        Who learned from the USA’s treatment of indigenous people of North America.

        Of course the US supports the genocide in Palestine, genocide is their national heritage.

      • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        8 days ago

        Yes! Isreal has perfected the art of exterminating an entire population, its sick.

        • vga@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          13·
          8 days ago

          Nazis killed 10k-20k people every day in a factory-like process during the height of The Holocaust.

          IDF has caused (by Hamas’s estimate) roughly 60k people to die in Gaza over about 2 years, or 653 days. If we just average that, it’s about 100 people every day. It’s unknown how many of these are civilian and how many are soldiers. There’s no reason to believe that there’s any genocidal process the likes of Final Solution.

          So doing the math, they’d have to kill about 100 times more people to even reach peak nazi levels.

          As for perfection, it seems to me that history shows that our species has always been quite good at completely destroying peoples. Nazis just industrialized the concept.

          • opavader@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            8 days ago

            the disgusting “perfection” is that they are doing this with the support and financing of all the govt of “civilized world”, live streaming and celebrating it. all this when they have zero public support across the world. some how they are able to override the will of all the voters to murder children on daily basis with our taxes while we are struggling for affordable housing and grocery.

            compare this to nazis who were shameful to hide the camps even from their own people and most of the army.

            this level of scheming and shamelessness has never happened in history of all human conflicts.

      • x0x7@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        8 days ago

        Sometimes the people who fight have more in common with each other than the people who don’t fight. It takes two to have an existential ethnic conflict. So yeah, we kind of did export nazism to the middle east. We took efforts to de-nazi the Germans but we didn’t consider the need to de-nazi the Zionists. Because they were on the losing side we assumed as victims they couldn’t have the same tendencies as their opponent. But if both sides had the same tendencies one side was bound to be in the losing position and be the victim.

        If it quacks like a duck and genocides like a duck. Maybe we have a duck.

  • Ambersand@lemmy.worldEnglish
    703·
    8 days ago

    As someone from Ireland, this hits really hard. The British did this to us, they called it the great famine while they shipped food out of the country. Over a million Irish people died and so many more left in ships. We still carry it today even tho it happened so long ago. Palestine may recover but this treatment will remain in their hearts forever. Ireland is with you Palestine. We are a small country but our history will tell you that you can get rid of the colonisers yourself, just keep fighting!

    • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.onlineEnglish
      1·
      8 days ago

      Ireland suffered two major famine (the worst one was in the 18th century) and the infamous potato famine of the 1840s. There was a third potential famine in the 1880s but due to the then large Irish diaspora many Irish sent aid back to Ireland and at that time the British weren’t stupid to blockade the country.

  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    554·
    8 days ago

    Yeah, this kind of shit was supposed to be with the end of Apartheid South Africa. I’m going to feel pretty uncomfortable until there’s some kind of inquiry into how Zionism got such a grip on the discourse.

    But, this isn’t a news article.

          • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            8 days ago

            Yeah, because you posted this six hours ago when their frontpage headline on this was 15 hours ago: “Israeli fire kills 67 people seeking aid in Gaza, medics say, as hunger worsens”. And the current second-top news story on their website is “Israel sends tanks into Gaza’s Deir al-Blaah, hostage families concerned”. Front page of the AP includes “UK, France and 23 other countries say the war in Gaza ‘must end now’”. Gaza is damn-near always frontpage news.

            Did you even follow the link in my comment you replied to where I showed articles published that day from several of the most prominent news organizations on Earth about Palestinians starving?

    • 3abas@lemmy.worldEnglish
      213·
      8 days ago

      A life time of indoctrination that Israel was a just solution to the Holocaust, despite Palestinians having nothing to do with it. When we grew up, we knew Israel planted foreign trees to hide the Palestinian villages they destroyed, but it wasn’t until Kamala Harris bragged about it that I learn Americans collected donations to plant trees in Israel to “make the desert bloom” 🤮🤮

      • x0x7@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        8 days ago

        There is another theory that some of the European powers actually agreed with Hitler to some degree. He was a darling politician to a lot of these people at one point before history got sour. And while maybe they weren’t fans of Hitler’s solution, they did see an opportunity to kick the Jewish Problem somewhere else. Apparently Hitler himself tried a Zionist approach at one point. The reality is that because decisions in society involve many people, there is a plurality of sentiments responsible for a decision winning in the end.

        The people who felt sympathy for the Jews wanted to do something nice. The people who didn’t didn’t mind seeing them go. The first among the motives sounds nicer so they painted it as that being the only reason. So it seems everyone agreed. Palestinians sure didn’t. But I guess no one phoned them on the decision.

        What’s a fun alternate history question is if German Zionist efforts succeeded how German established Israel would have played out with the Palestinians. There is an opportunity for a 100% converged timeline because there’s no reason to think things wouldn’t have gone equally wrong. If Germany won the war you might still have a 2024- Isreal/Palestinian conflict. There’s a chance though nukes wouldn’t be involved.

      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        3·
        8 days ago

        You’re not the first person to suggest it’s some kind of quasi-religion, but I still don’t understand it. The people who support it for actual religion are around, and I understand that, but they’re not numerous enough to run the show. And, even if you see the Nakba as justified, that doesn’t excuse anything they’re doing now.

        Side note, I’m surprised this post is still up.

  • Grizzlyboy@lemmy.zipEnglish
    492·
    8 days ago

    I’m baffled by the whole situation. The irony is totally lost on the Israeli government. Flee right winged extremism, only to become them. What a ride!

    • rhymeswithduck@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      313·
      8 days ago

      This is why healing is so important. They didn’t heal, instead they harbored a grudge. It’s just like an abused child growing up and abusing their own children. Some people are unable or unwilling to do the work to break the cycle.

        • x0x7@lemmy.worldEnglish
          54·
          8 days ago

          You do know that the Soviets and Maoists genocided people too right? Genocide is not an economic right vs economic left issue. It’s a power issue. Here is a right wing forum having pretty much the exact same thread with almost the exact some content. Sometimes the sky is blue and people everywhere can say the sky is blue.

          Keep in mind when someone talks on a right wing or left wing forum they have to agree with 90% to fit in and use 10% to push toward truth. It’s called nudge theory.

          https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=687d0040922e1

          But look, people who are economically right can be against genocide just as much and call out the same genocide. Funny thing is the only people who aren’t on the same page right now is congress. Um, and boomers. Congress and boomers. Everyone else thinks this is a genocide and thinks it should stop.

  • MareOfNights@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    4823·
    9 days ago

    I think I tracked down the source for that image. It seems to be by Omar Al-Qattaa and pictures a child in Gaza with cerebral palsy and malnutrition. According to this, Malnutrition can be a side-effect of cerebral palsy, due to difficulties swallowing etc. Which is probably made harder by the war, which is bad, but not reflective of the general population.

    It’s always pretty hard to find the sources for these images and when you do, it often has some special circumstances or is just from Yemen or smth.

    Apart from that, are there no rules here for news-articles or NSFL tags?

    • ORbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      2018·
      9 days ago

      Oh, geez. He’s got CP. That definitely invalidates the importance of the message and image.

      • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.worldEnglish
        18·
        8 days ago

        It does make it misleading. If it was included in an article with the context, that would be fine. I believe most people joined this particular community to read news articles, not to see who can find an image that out of context supports thier political view.

      • crimsonpoodle@pawb.socialEnglish
        8·
        8 days ago

        I think finding sources for things is good. It doesn’t invalidate the message; there are plenty of photographs of malnourished children in Gaza without CP. Was it internally misleading? I don’t know. But I think we can assume the benefit of the doubt that the writer just chose an image from search results that looked emaciated.

  • Bud@lemmy.worldEnglish
    243·
    8 days ago

    Let’s not forget that this genocide is proudly supported by “the land of the free” propagandists, ruling class and population.

  • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.worldEnglish
    172·
    8 days ago

    I guess all the people who got “detained” for writing about it, and all the protesters and such aren’t part of the “whole world”

    • Googlies@lemmy.worldEnglish
      25·
      8 days ago

      That’s the bit you take from this post? What a ridiculous thing to point out.