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For as long as I live, I will never forget that the whole world watched Israel starve 2 million innocent people in Gaza, killing children on a daily basis and did nothing to stop it, even worse, punished those trying to end it and helped, funded, protected and armed the genocidal regime of Netanyahu.
#NeverAgain #NeverForget #NeverForgive #Gaza #Israel #Genocide #USpol #EUpol #Politics
@palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe @israel @lebanon @syria @iran
As someone from Ireland, this hits really hard. The British did this to us, they called it the great famine while they shipped food out of the country. Over a million Irish people died and so many more left in ships. We still carry it today even tho it happened so long ago. Palestine may recover but this treatment will remain in their hearts forever. Ireland is with you Palestine. We are a small country but our history will tell you that you can get rid of the colonisers yourself, just keep fighting!
Same thing with India
Ireland suffered two major famine (the worst one was in the 18th century) and the infamous potato famine of the 1840s. There was a third potential famine in the 1880s but due to the then large Irish diaspora many Irish sent aid back to Ireland and at that time the British weren’t stupid to blockade the country.
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https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/if-youre-still-supporting-israel
If you’re still supporting Israel in the year 2025, there’s something seriously wrong with you as a person. You do not have a normal, healthy sense of empathy and morality.
There’s no way to deny what this is anymore. If you still support Israel in the year 2025, it’s not because you don’t believe Israel is committing horrific atrocities. It’s because you believe those horrific atrocities are good, and you want to see more of them.
Remember to never have respect for nearly any politician in congress no matter what party it is. Unless they spoke up they deserve less respect than dog shit.
Germany and Austria still have to support them, otherwise they instantly fight back with WW2 arguments which are all irrelevant by now.
So they are scared of words? That’s a pretty bullshit excuse.
Germany and Austria never de-Nazified. Their governments are fully on board with the extermination of Semitic people.
The Israeli Holocaust of the Palestinians is an extreme implementation of a policy of de-Arabization that Europeans have repeatedly endorsed across the continent.
OP, literally Rule 1 bullet point 1 of this comm. This is a community for news articles.
It’s a self published opinion news story. I trust this author more than those rags like newsweek and the daily beast that get green light all the time on here
I would like to see Newsweek blacklisted here too. Would you like to advocate for that, or would you like to sit around and whataboutism for a Mastodon post that you’re trying to dishonestly distort into a “self published opinion news story”?
And even if you’re seriously going to pretend you buy your own “card says moops” bullshit when you say that, what do you have to say to the final bullet point of Rule 1 that disallows links to other social media “like Twitter”?
It’s up to mods how they rule this place. I just say it’s dumb and I’m not dishonest at all anyone can be a journalist and everyone can get published and I don’t know why the opinion of the owner of newsweek and similar yellow press should decide what is posted here and what not.
I don’t know why the opinion of the owner of newsweek and similar yellow press should decide what is posted here and what not.
Alright, instead of falling for a farcical red herring and debating the merits of a Mastodon post as “self published opinion news”, I’ll cut to the heart of the matter: what the fuck are you talking about?
- Palestinians describe choice between starvation and risking death to get food aid in Gaza from PBS News two hours ago
- Updates: 18 in Gaza die from starvation in one day amid Israeli blockade from Al Jazeera today
- Four-year-old girl dies of hunger in Gaza as Israel throttles food supply from CNN today
- Malnutrition reaches new heights in Gaza, children most affected from the Agence France-Presse today
- Pope condemns Gaza war’s ‘barbarity’ as 85 reported killed while waiting for food from The Guardian today
- Officials say 85 Palestinians seeking aid are killed in Gaza as Israel widens evacuation orders from the Associated Press today
- Nearly 100 people killed seeking aid in Gaza on Sunday, Palestinian officials say from NPR today
- Israel fire kills dozens more aid seekers in Gaza, medics say, as hunger worsens from USA Today today
- Israeli Troops Kill Dozens Seeking Food Near Border, Gazan Officials Say from The New York Times today
And that’s just about the starvation and just from today and just that short because I couldn’t be bothered to spend more than five minutes looking. All of these sources are allowed here; none of them are yellow press. Quit your bullshit; nobody’s gatekeeping this, and if they were, it wouldn’t be Newsweek et al.
True nobody’s gatekeeping this, the post is still up.
In other words, a blog post.
A lot of news is just blog posts on a site that claims to be more than a vlog. But is it really. Sometimes what gets classified as news is poorly researched as fuck. And then this “news” end up on trashy blog sites that run 10x more ads than most blog sites. I don’t buy appeal to authority fallacies so the fact that those articles are written by “journalists” is irrelevant. Modern journalists don’t act like journalists because they write crap.
90% of news is a hair away from blog spam once you ask the Socratic questions, what is blog? what is news?
So, an opinion piece?
This is bigger than the rules.
Edit: amazing that I’m getting down voted for caring about genocide like the fuckface who called out OP for sucking farts. [https://alexandrite.app/lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/20193896]
Lemmy dog piles are fucking unreal. For all its benefits over reddit, this is one thing that definitely is worse here.
Okay, so it can go in one of the like 500 communities where this is relevant. If it’s bigger than the rules, why did OP, with one exception, choose to do none of that and instead exclusively post it into news communities where it’s not supposed to be? Where it will quickly get removed?
“This is bigger than the rules”, I say like a jackass, as I go post this into a community about artisinal cheeses.
Fuck Israel. They are committing genocide through starvation. That’s why this deserves to go somewhere it’s actually supposed to be, and OP knows where those places are.
Where it will quickly get removed?
Apparently not that quickly. OP is shown as “15 hours ago,” as of right now.
It seems like @jordanlund@lemmy.world is the only active mod of this comm. Plausible it slipped past them. So in the event 1) the rules are actually enforced with literally any consistency and 2) jordan notices, it ought to be removed quickly. As best I can tell, our OP who was too lazy to just post one of the mountain of news articles lucked out.
Yeah, I was offline doing “husband work” the last couple of days. I’m catching up now!
27 unresolved reports in World… whee!
lemmy.world DOES have a bot that notifies all mods when they start stacking up. I’ll see what’s up!
Wow, 1 active mod for a sub with this level of activity? I actually don’t know what would be considered typical, but gut instinct tells me more than 1.
There are more, I just try to be more public facing.
Card says moop vibes.
Are you referring to the actual Seinfield scene or the Alt-Right Playbook video? I can’t figure it out because they’re equally irrelevant.
I don’t have the bandwidth to explain if you don’t want to see it. He broke rule 1 and he’s a jackass for condemning child genocide in world@lemmy.world. Ban him. Based on what I see here, I’m sure artisanal cheese is way better suited for that type of discussion anyway.
Dude, I don’t even have the bandwidth to translate this comment into a coherent English paragraph. As best I can tell, it’s just a bizarre strawman about banning(???) instead of removing an off-topic post, and it’s done as a deflection from you “not having the bandwidth” (read: being unable because you know it was nonsense) to justify why you called it “card says moops”.
I had to google it…I think he’s referring to the Burning Man term for “Matter Out of Place”. So I think he’s agreeing with you that this link doesn’t belong in this community.
Can I ask if you seriously care about downvotes? Also, some downvotes and one comment is a pretty low bar for “dog piling.”
I get what you’re saying though. It’s important enough that it should be everywhere. But is that what op did? Idc enough to check every instance but maybe they didn’t and that’s why no one likes your comment?
Ftr, I lean a bit in your favor for your original comment or at least your intention. I do downvote every post that bitches about downvotes though.
I feel like this is the issue that will haunt us forever if we don’t stand on the right side. That’s it. I’ve fought for Palestinian rights in one form or another since the second Intifada. My ex, a Jordanian photo journalist, opened my eyes to this 25 years ago.
There’s no other moral or ethical way.
No one disagrees with that and it wasn’t why you were downvoted.
I don’t think anyone is arguing your opinion, it’s just this is not the right venue for an opinion.
So think of it this way. A person signs up for lemmy, by choosing specific communities to join they are giving consent for a specific range of information to be delivered to thier screen. By breaking the rules of a community you are essentially violating the consent of the members of that community.
I feel your struggle though. You want to do “something”. The vast majority of people on the planet do too. And there doesn’t seem to be a community for just bringing up a topic in general. I assume they are just too hard to moderate. But that doesn’t make it right to just break the rules of this community.
By breaking the rules of a community you are essentially violating the consent of the members of that community.
Boards like these are public or at least quasi public spaces. No one is actually forcing you to read or engage with any specific post or comment.
I would say that significant deviation from the intended content of the community is one thing. Personal attacks, intentional misinformation, arguing in bad faith, harassment, etc has no place. But claiming that OP “violated people’s consent” has a serious connotation, and I think it is a real stretch to apply that here.
If the post bothers you enough, you can always report it and then simply ignore the post. Even block the OP, especially if they have a pattern of behavior that your find inappropriate.
I didn’t imply any connotations. Any added to the phrase is done so by the reader. So it doesn’t invalidate the validity of the statement. People signed up for the content the community described. This post is not that. People are debating that, and I am sharing my opinion. Just because I could take various actions to prevent it in the future, doesn’t make the original action ok. Saying otherwise is just justifing more posts of this kind.
I didn’t imply any connotations.
Imply? You straight up said, and I quote “violating the consent of the members of that community.”
People signed up for the content the community described. This post is not that.
Social media is never going to be 100% the content that is described in the sidebar or forum description. There’s always going to be some deviation, some off-topic, and some marginal content. I didn’t sign up for meta debate about whether the act of posting non-conforming content is violating people’s consent or not, yet here we are.
Just because I could take various actions to prevent it in the future, doesn’t make the original action ok.
The stakes on this are super low such that actions to prevent it in the future, and the options that you have available to you, are good enough. The original action may be dubious, but it frankly isn’t that big of a deal. OP didn’t post something that is abusive, misinformation, or otherwise harmful. Nor have they been spamming posts here. You are spending more time worrying about it than it would have taken you to simply ignore the post and move on.
If this is truly an issue for you, you should stick to more tightly-moderated segments of social media. That may admittedly be difficult to find on Lemmy due to the lower user base; another commenter pointed out that there is only 1 active mod for this sub. You may find that the modding on some of the larger Reddit subs to be more to your liking.
Anyhow, I’ve said my piece and I’m moving on.
noun: connotation; plural noun: connotations an idea or feeling that a word invokes in addition to its literal or primary meaning
The community rules don’t dissallow this meta debate, so yes, you did sign up for it.
To you, this is super low stakes, but that may not be true to others.
Overall, the issue is that if things like this are treated lightly, it will lead to more and more random pictures that are missing context, or in fact misleading. That dilutes the value of the community.
Legit confused on why you got down voted so hard. I am guessing people are confused by your comment, see the edit and decide to downvote you just because it feels right
Whatever. I believe my words.
Because “its bigger than the rules” is stupid. There is tens of thousands of posts on lemmy covering this topic.
Yeah, this kind of shit was supposed to be with the end of Apartheid South Africa. I’m going to feel pretty uncomfortable until there’s some kind of inquiry into how Zionism got such a grip on the discourse.
But, this isn’t a news article.
A life time of indoctrination that Israel was a just solution to the Holocaust, despite Palestinians having nothing to do with it. When we grew up, we knew Israel planted foreign trees to hide the Palestinian villages they destroyed, but it wasn’t until Kamala Harris bragged about it that I learn Americans collected donations to plant trees in Israel to “make the desert bloom” 🤮🤮
There is another theory that some of the European powers actually agreed with Hitler to some degree. He was a darling politician to a lot of these people at one point before history got sour. And while maybe they weren’t fans of Hitler’s solution, they did see an opportunity to kick the Jewish Problem somewhere else. Apparently Hitler himself tried a Zionist approach at one point. The reality is that because decisions in society involve many people, there is a plurality of sentiments responsible for a decision winning in the end.
The people who felt sympathy for the Jews wanted to do something nice. The people who didn’t didn’t mind seeing them go. The first among the motives sounds nicer so they painted it as that being the only reason. So it seems everyone agreed. Palestinians sure didn’t. But I guess no one phoned them on the decision.
What’s a fun alternate history question is if German Zionist efforts succeeded how German established Israel would have played out with the Palestinians. There is an opportunity for a 100% converged timeline because there’s no reason to think things wouldn’t have gone equally wrong. If Germany won the war you might still have a 2024- Isreal/Palestinian conflict. There’s a chance though nukes wouldn’t be involved.
You’re not the first person to suggest it’s some kind of quasi-religion, but I still don’t understand it. The people who support it for actual religion are around, and I understand that, but they’re not numerous enough to run the show. And, even if you see the Nakba as justified, that doesn’t excuse anything they’re doing now.
Side note, I’m surprised this post is still up.
this isn’t a news article.
You should wonder why this is not front page news every day.
It is. The OP just didn’t give enough of a shit to actually post it here.
Yeah, because you posted this six hours ago when their frontpage headline on this was 15 hours ago: “Israeli fire kills 67 people seeking aid in Gaza, medics say, as hunger worsens”. And the current second-top news story on their website is “Israel sends tanks into Gaza’s Deir al-Blaah, hostage families concerned”. Front page of the AP includes “UK, France and 23 other countries say the war in Gaza ‘must end now’”. Gaza is damn-near always frontpage news.
Did you even follow the link in my comment you replied to where I showed articles published that day from several of the most prominent news organizations on Earth about Palestinians starving?
Netanyahu, the man who tried to make the Nazi propaganda a reality
Israel just perfected the things that were done to them in ww2. They learned from the germans
They learned from the germans
Who learned from the USA’s treatment of indigenous people of North America.
Of course the US supports the genocide in Palestine, genocide is their national heritage.
Yes! Isreal has perfected the art of exterminating an entire population, its sick.
Nazis killed 10k-20k people every day in a factory-like process during the height of The Holocaust.
IDF has caused (by Hamas’s estimate) roughly 60k people to die in Gaza over about 2 years, or 653 days. If we just average that, it’s about 100 people every day. It’s unknown how many of these are civilian and how many are soldiers. There’s no reason to believe that there’s any genocidal process the likes of Final Solution.
So doing the math, they’d have to kill about 100 times more people to even reach peak nazi levels.
As for perfection, it seems to me that history shows that our species has always been quite good at completely destroying peoples. Nazis just industrialized the concept.
the disgusting “perfection” is that they are doing this with the support and financing of all the govt of “civilized world”, live streaming and celebrating it. all this when they have zero public support across the world. some how they are able to override the will of all the voters to murder children on daily basis with our taxes while we are struggling for affordable housing and grocery.
compare this to nazis who were shameful to hide the camps even from their own people and most of the army.
this level of scheming and shamelessness has never happened in history of all human conflicts.
Sometimes the people who fight have more in common with each other than the people who don’t fight. It takes two to have an existential ethnic conflict. So yeah, we kind of did export nazism to the middle east. We took efforts to de-nazi the Germans but we didn’t consider the need to de-nazi the Zionists. Because they were on the losing side we assumed as victims they couldn’t have the same tendencies as their opponent. But if both sides had the same tendencies one side was bound to be in the losing position and be the victim.
If it quacks like a duck and genocides like a duck. Maybe we have a duck.
I’m baffled by the whole situation. The irony is totally lost on the Israeli government. Flee right winged extremism, only to become them. What a ride!
This is why healing is so important. They didn’t heal, instead they harbored a grudge. It’s just like an abused child growing up and abusing their own children. Some people are unable or unwilling to do the work to break the cycle.
a grudge they took out on the people that helped them during their holocaust
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You do know that the Soviets and Maoists genocided people too right? Genocide is not an economic right vs economic left issue. It’s a power issue. Here is a right wing forum having pretty much the exact same thread with almost the exact some content. Sometimes the sky is blue and people everywhere can say the sky is blue.
Keep in mind when someone talks on a right wing or left wing forum they have to agree with 90% to fit in and use 10% to push toward truth. It’s called nudge theory.
https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=687d0040922e1
But look, people who are economically right can be against genocide just as much and call out the same genocide. Funny thing is the only people who aren’t on the same page right now is congress. Um, and boomers. Congress and boomers. Everyone else thinks this is a genocide and thinks it should stop.
Where’s your truck bomb?
A little example of horseshoe theory in action.
Actively enabled and supported in the most vehement manner
Let’s not forget that this genocide is proudly supported by “the land of the free” propagandists, ruling class and population.
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it is gut wrenching
I think I tracked down the source for that image. It seems to be by Omar Al-Qattaa and pictures a child in Gaza with cerebral palsy and malnutrition. According to this, Malnutrition can be a side-effect of cerebral palsy, due to difficulties swallowing etc. Which is probably made harder by the war, which is bad, but not reflective of the general population.
It’s always pretty hard to find the sources for these images and when you do, it often has some special circumstances or is just from Yemen or smth.
Apart from that, are there no rules here for news-articles or NSFL tags?
Oh, geez. He’s got CP. That definitely invalidates the importance of the message and image.
It does make it misleading. If it was included in an article with the context, that would be fine. I believe most people joined this particular community to read news articles, not to see who can find an image that out of context supports thier political view.
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They usually pay people to spread the misinformation.
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I think finding sources for things is good. It doesn’t invalidate the message; there are plenty of photographs of malnourished children in Gaza without CP. Was it internally misleading? I don’t know. But I think we can assume the benefit of the doubt that the writer just chose an image from search results that looked emaciated.
Beyond never forgetting is a lifelong bitterness.
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USA is heavily involved due to Christians
Islam countries do nothing, Islamists want Palestinians to perish, they don’t want to let refugees from Palestine
There is no uprising to destroy Hamas
What can anyone do if Israel have support of most powerful country in the world - USA
Christians is not the reason USA is involved. I would have said it’s because Israel is a militarily valuable position to have in the middle-east.
It can be both things, the death cult can’t have their rapture without Israel.
I really never understood this. I’ve tried grilling them on it but I can never get a straight answer. See Israel already exists, so that element of the prophecy already has a check mark. The next part is that all the nations go to war against Israel, which at this point would be reasonable progression of events. Now if they are trying to progress the timeline then Israel being under attack would progress the timeline. BTW, all the nations would include the US. So if anything you’d think they’d support the US attacking Israel.
So they need to not progress the timeline to protect the timeline that they need to happen that should happen independent of any will they exert? And they are still trying their darndest to exert will anyway, in the exact opposite direction of the next thing?
I have a different, somewhat conspiratorial theory. There are a lot of bought and paid for pastors that say whatever works best for Israel. Crazy thought. But did you know that Israel pays for trips to Israel for these people even though they don’t want Christianity there. I hear these trips are first class. Mike Huckabee says he’s done the trip they offer multiple times. He wonders if other people have tried “the trip” yet.
I would really love for someone to make the “protect Israel to have the rapture” thing make sense to me. I genuinely want to get it. Understanding other people’s ideas is important to me. But man, I’m fucking lost.
Using logic to try to understand religions is probably a big mistake… but why would they think their actions have anything to do with the Rapture happening or not? Surely its happening depends on higher power in their fairy tale, not on whatever humans do?
Are you referring to Hamas here?
…israel’s long-term strategic campaign of zionist lobbying and mossad kompromat are why USA political support remains unwavering…if the epstein records are ever fully released, israel stands to lose mighty leverage across the political spectrum in so many governments…
I wonder. They are claiming the Epstein list doesn’t exist. Maybe what we have isn’t organized as a single list but are just lots of names over a lot of different documents. But you know who really has a proper list? Israel has the list. It’s reasonable to ask Trump for the list. It’s reasonable to demand it. But we could also ask the people who certainly have it.
This is the other reason why congress voted to block it. Not only are a lot of them on it. But some of them rose to power more recently and couldn’t be. But it would still reduce Israel’s leverage over the US. And it’s congress’s job to protect the interest of their boss.
Does our view of J6 change with time? Shocking that people attacked congress. But you do know they don’t work for you. Maybe their motives weren’t good. But the shock, gasp, they attacked… congress. Honestly I don’t give a fuck about that part.
That’s not fed posting. I just don’t give a fuck about something. I’m allowed to not care about things.
Batpoo insane Christians and politicians. One is a tool, the other leverages it.
Yep. Before the creation of Israel, actual state-led military incursions from muslim countries to Europe happened all the time. After the creation of Israel, none have happened so far (unless you count terrorism or believe the bs right-wing population change theories).
In cold geopolitical terms, huge success for Europe. Not sure what the value is to USA, perhaps a projection of power to oil-rich countries.
Well interesting perspective
Also technological boost in military capabilities mean that any European military would steamroll over any Islam Country.
That’s like saying the space shuttle is responsible for curing polio. Yes, the the period before the space shuttle existed there was a lot of polio. The military incursions from Muslim countries into Europe were ended by the Crusades.
We have the Scofield Bible to blame. Remember that Christians did the whole Spanish Inquisition thing and Martin Luther called for the expulsion of Jews from Europe. If supporting Israel because Jews exist there was theologically consistent with Christianity then neither of those things would have happened. But the Scofield bible rewrote parts of the Bible to promote Christian Zionism and was popularized particularly in the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible
Israeli spokesmen responsible for messaging the United States still quote it. Bibi says: “God will bless those who bless us [Zionist Israel].” In reality the Bible used the non-plural you referring to Abraham the individual person, who was alive 4000 years ago.
Meanwhile Jesus himself said to modern Israel’s progenitors, who were also political zionists, “Say not that you are sons of Abraham, for if you were you would do the works of your father. But you do the works of your father, who is Satan.”
Basically if you are a modern Christian who supports Israel you are a fucking retard who can’t read. The clergy of older Christianity could read. That’s why they didn’t think their post-judiaism religion demanded they worship any Jews with the exception of Jesus.
All the English translations are wrong, because Greeks and Romans translated wrong, sometimes by honest mistake, often for political reasons, whether institutional or governmental, often both in tandem.
Well that’s an extremely fair point to make. Point is the Bible was re-written again, (maybe you have a better idea of the total rewrite count), to spread Zionist propaganda and was propagated through the US in particular.
Fun fact. Even Isaac Newton was able to find ways in which the Bible was surreptitiously altered. So this is a bit of a problem in general. People have been altering the Bible to meet political ends for a while.
In the case of the bit we have Bibi quoting we have the Jewish version to reference and their own version uses a singular you, but Bibi found the Scofield version to be convenient. Crazy how this guy knows more about translation variance in Christian versions of the Old Testament better than most Christians do. It’s almost like this guy made it his job to communicate to Christians and get them to support him.
Zionism didn’t exist during Constantine’s time. The father of Zionism, Herzl, was an antisemitic atheist. But Balfour signed the Agreement and Truman recognized Israel.
Yes to meet political ends. If there was one man who was literal Jesus, rather than legendary or an amalgamation of men, then he was crucified for being a threat to a rather comfortable occupation of Israel by the Romans, on trumped up religious charges. Same as chattel slaves and abolitionists. The modern global West is using both methods, Europe and the UK by criminalizing condemnation of illegal occupation and genocide, US with that coupled with discrimination against Christians. But only certain ones.
Nathaniel Hawthorne wrote about it in The Scarlet Letter, and Young Goodman Brown. Not that his ideas were perfect, but were rather advanced for his time.
It’s interesting that Zionists today will say that any criticism of Zionism is anti-semitism when Zionism, according to you was invented by an anti-Semite. So I guess it’s actually Zionism that is anti-Semitic? The only think I don’t buy about that is maybe he was the father of modern-Zionism, but movements for anti-diaspora have always existed among the Jewish people.
I did some quick reading. I’m not buying that he was an anti-semite considering it was the anti-semitism surrounding the Drayfus affair and the rise of an anti-semite Karl Lueger which motivated his views on Zionism. I see some reference that some have argued that his attack of Jewish people who disagree with his position as not being good Jews as being anti-semetic. But I don’t think that’s fair. Everyone argues what constitutes a good American or bad American or this or the other. Me saying that good Americans should oppose drug laws because freedom, if I were called anti-American for having an argument of what would be a good American position I don’t think that would be fair. I’ve interestingly seen Zionists today call Jewish people who aren’t anti-semitic which is a bit funny. I guess both sides have a history of calling either side anti-semetic even though both sides are Jewish. Probably not fair in either case and really just a pejorative.
Who said anything about Constantine. I referenced Jesus. Well before Constantine. Zionism and the want for Jewish control of the region and anti-diaspora absolutely existed in Jesus’s time. Jesus absolutely did not hate all Jews, considering he was one, almost all of his friends were Jewish, and we have no reference to his opinion of Jewish people in other regions. He seemed to have a deep care for the common people among the Jewish of that region. But when it came to the people who were politically Zionist living in Israel (or its political equivalent of the time) he consistently only ever had petty mean words to say. And that’s coming from kind as a butterfly Jesus. He literally called them the spawn of Satan. Whether Jesus existed or not the point is that reading the words of that real or non-real person as provided from the Bible, as you would expect a Christian to do, it would be very odd to infer a religious responsibility toward Zionism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzl's_Mauschel_and_Zionist_antisemitism
I recently was involved in a similar discussion and said maybe he was elitist and antisemitism was a cover. Palestinian people are genetically Semites though.
Yeah. When you bring up that Palestinians are Semites you open up a fair can of worms for how non-nonsensical these labels are in general. It’s almost better not to think about it and just accept the semantic meaning. My gosh we shouldn’t get into Ashkenazi genetic admixture, and how ironic it is that a predominately ethnically-Germanic, among many other things higher on the ingredient list than ancient Hebrew, are calling Palestinians antisemetic. The poor relation of these words to actual reality is almost better to not think about. Everyone knows what’s meant by today’s backward verbiage.
Interesting article.
Yeah, a bunch of Europeans colonized Israel and are calling the Semitic inhabitants antisemitic.
https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/25360/what-is-the-difference-between-islamist-and-muslim
Yeman and Iran beg to differ.
Wild when you know lots of Palestine is Christian and has some of the oldest churches in the world…that are now rubble
What do you mean we did nothing?
People with “moral righteousness” here on Lemmy helped to elect someone who made it far, far worse.
So we got that going for us…
But if they were pragmatic then how would the tankies keep their purity?
If your reaction is basically…
But what about meeeee? I have to deal with orange man in the office now
… when confronted with a genocide, maybe just don’t comment?
And besides, it’s a massive cope to blame the loss on ‘online moral righteousness’ when we all saw the campaigns play out. “We beat Medicare” should have never been allowed to happen, and Kamala should have had some firm policy stances instead of “I wouldn’t have done anything different”.
Not having firm policies vs literal fascism. Hmm, who should we blame. Lol
It seems pretty obvious that, for a Genocide, we should blame the Genocide supporters, AKA, the Democrat and Republican leadership
To quote a more obvious comment
[I]f you didn’t vote for Democrats because of Palestine, it must be because you want everyone in Gaza killed. Enabling the guy who wanted to ban Muslims from the United States is a confirmation that you’re a huge fan of Netanyahu. You’d have to be unbelievably stupid to not vote, or to vote for Republicans if you support the Palestinian people. It’s nauseating to hear people who enabled Trump to bitch about what he’s doing to Palestine when they refused to use common sense and do the right thing by voting for Harris.
And before anyone comes at me: tell me the process by which we get more progressives in office. I’ll give you a clue: it doesn’t start with “not voting”, it ends with voting for them, once you’ve done the hard work of getting them on the ballot.
It’s not an either or situation, there is plenty of blame to go around. But I believe that the people with the most power are the most responsible. I know that runs counter to American corporate culture and can be a cultural shock to hear.
lolwut?
Why would voting for Democrats have stopped the people in Gaza from being killed? The Democratic leadership is literally the reason that Palestine is the way it is, and Harris said that she saw nothing wrong with that, implying that she would have continued on supporting the Genocide.
Believe it or not, it was possible to vote against Trump, but also vote against the Democrats.
Here’s how you get more progressive’s in office: Stop voting for parties that fight against progressives.
So, I’ll carefully answer your remarks by quoting answers from the comment, because you apparently missed them.
Why would voting for Democrats have stopped the people in Gaza from being killed? The Democratic leadership is literally the reason that Palestine is the way it is, and Harris said that she saw nothing wrong with that, implying that she would have continued on supporting the Genocide.
[I]f you didn’t vote for Democrats because of Palestine, it must be because you want everyone in Gaza killed. Enabling the guy who wanted to ban Muslims from the United States is a confirmation that you’re a huge fan of Netanyahu.
Simply not having Trump (who practically wants everyone in Gaza killed, wants Muslim bans, licks Netanyahu’s boots, chose to officially recognize Jerusalem as capital of Israel, relocated US embassy to Jerusalem) is better.
Believe it or not, it was possible to vote against Trump, but also vote against the Democrats.
You’d have to be unbelievably stupid to not vote, or to vote for Republicans if you support the Palestinian people. It’s nauseating to hear people who enabled Trump to bitch about what he’s doing to Palestine when they refused to use common sense and do the right thing by voting for Harris.
Not understanding FPTP voting when it’s been explained ad nauseum is unbelievably stupid. No, your claim is false. You believe falsehoods.
Only votes to a mainstream party candidate can beat the other mainstream party candidate.
Here’s how you get more progressive’s in office: Stop voting for parties that fight against progressives.
And before anyone comes at me: tell me the process by which we get more progressives in office. I’ll give you a clue: it doesn’t start with “not voting”, it ends with voting for them, once you’ve done the hard work of getting them on the ballot.
Your intentional mis-representing of my reply doesn’t mean that I missed anything.
Simply not having Trump (who practically wants everyone in Gaza killed, wants Muslim bans, licks Netanyahu’s boots, chose to officially recognize Jerusalem as capital of Israel, relocated US embassy to Jerusalem) is better.
Trump being worse than Harris does not mean that Harris wouldn’t have done the same thing. I do not disagree that Trump is worse, but that’s not what we were talking about.
Not understanding FPTP voting when it’s been explained ad nauseum is unbelievably stupid. No, your claim is false. You believe falsehoods.
Can you point out what I said that was a falsehood? Because, nothing I said in that statement is false. It was indeed possible to vote against Trump, and also vote against the Democrats. FPTP has nothing to do with how that works. A vote for a third party can be a vote against both.
Only votes to a mainstream party candidate can beat the other mainstream party candidate.
This is a falsehood. If a non-mainstream candidate got enough votes, they would win against a mainstream party candidate.
The politicians. Is this a hard concept, or are you bad faith trolling?
They’re not stupid, they had access to better polling data than you and I, they knew there was a massive anti-incumbent sentiment, that while the S&P 500 was performing well, the people were struggling, and that Israel was increasing a vote loser across all political stripes - the politicians saw all that, and they still ran the campaign they ran.
They decided that, whilst choking out all grassroots challengers and criticism, and you’ve swallowed whole the “disloyal lefty” narrative that exonerates their failure completely. “We didn’t lose, it’s those disloyal fifth columnist double flagged operatives”
I’m disappointed in the broad electorate for not seeing through Trump, but I understand that economic desperation is rocket fuel for fascism and it doesn’t go away if faced with more of the status quo that brought us to this point. The Dems needed to pivot, and refused to change with the times.
No, I can recognize the politicians are shit and still realize the loss was primarily due to racist dumbasses.
We didn’t lose, it’s those disloyal fifth columnist double flagged operatives
Holy strawman.
No, I don’t think the loss was primarily due to people who intentionally did not vote, though I do think they are morons.
No, I can recognize the politicians are shit and still realize the loss was primarily due to racist dumbasses.
If so, why open with this comment then?
People with “moral righteousness” here on Lemmy helped to elect someone who made it far, far worse.
Uh, what part of “primary” do you not understand. They helped, yes. The primary blame shouldn’t lay on them, but they helped
I understood your first comment perfectly - you felt ‘online righteousness’ was the most worthy thing to bring up for discussion. Not:
- Wow, how could the Dems not have defused this wedge issue, dumb politicians
- How awful that the people of Gaza are facing their current existence
- What a blunder of a party platform to ignore the people’s dissent re: arming Israel
- Screw the right for bad-faith messaging, Trump has been worse
- etc
You saw a preventable death of a child suffering under apartheid and genocide, and felt that ‘online morons’ who didn’t vote/voted 3rd party deserved more attention.
And no, English is my first language.
