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    29 days ago

    And I say the rest of the world should Embargo the US for as long as they continue to threaten world security.

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          Well you should know from your experience with cutting out Russian oil that a gigantic & cheaper source is not easily replaced! If you think industry there is recovering from that blow to energy prices already you should talk to some pro-Europe people who study this more in-depth, because they’re not happy about it.

          All I can say is that Europe doing that would be a huge win for us Asia development fanatics. You’d be handing us your own head on a plate. It’s politically impossible anyways, European access to lucrative trade and finance has all been mediated with US oversight that places them near the top of the food chain. The ruling class the US made rich is not going to bite the hand that feeds them, and Europe isn’t going to depose of its oligarchy overnight. We can dream though

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            The cheapest, most scalable sources of energy are solar and wind. So the European push has been in two directions, more expensive gas and oil but also, to offset the price issue, more electrification. Granted, it would be great if the right-wing could come to terms with that development rather than trying to block it, either because it sounds vaguely green and different from the past or because they’re actually paid off by Russia to stall any positive development in their home countries.

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              Lol of course you think it’s Russian infiltration that’s preventing you from taking advantage of solar and wind & not the US, which just got you utterly dependent on its natural gas shipments by increasing the cost of the Russian oil Europe still buys through secondary countries (oil is incredibly easy to launder as it is just grades of hydrocarbons lmfao)

              Maybe you should consider what political forces in Europe are aligned against the chief producer of solar and wind technology (China) and whether they were createf by the Russian infiltration your ruling class orders you to attribute all of your problems to (you dutifully comply)

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                Lol of course you think it’s Russian infiltration

                Yeah, lol of course I think that. I watched as Russia tried to pressure Germany with fossil gas, first by running Gazprom Germania’s gas storage low in the winter of 2021/2022, then by progressively cutting off gas flow in the Nord Stream pipelines over the first half of 2022. These pipelines being blown up finally put a hard stop on these tactics, thankfully.

                And yeah, lol of course I think that, knowing that various high-ranking CDU/SPD politicians like Kretschmer spend a lot of time trying to popularize the idea of a reopening of Nord Stream while they provably get a lot of mail from Gazprom somehow; knowing that SPD politician Ralf Stegner met ominous Russian fossil executives; knowing that Afd provably gets money from Russia and various Afd politicians give interviews to Russian propaganda outlets; knowing that Afd and Bsw somehow use the same regional bank whose director is known for his friendliness to the Russian regime.

                And no, Germany is not mortally dependent on US LNG. LNG as a whole is just the last 10% or so of fossil gas imports in Germany. If our absurdist new government wasn’t quite as irrationally focused on increasing our dependence on fossil gas, we could easily wean ourselves off that in the near future; we already reduced fossil gas usage by 20% in the past three years. The countries we’re now actually dependent on in terms of gas imports are Norway and the Netherlands.

                None of that is to say that there’s no influence from US private actors. KKR (an investor in Germany’s largest right-wing publishing house) and Black Rock (former employer of the new chancellor) certainly are major factors. There are also internal strictly domestic factors, such as BASF and Bayer who really like fossil stuff too. In other words, there certainly are colluding fossip interests here; but that doesn’t let Russia off the hook.