Prosecutors say Luigi Mangione, accused of killing the CEO of UnitedHealthcare on a Manhattan sidewalk, has inspired others to embrace violence over reasoned debate.
I’m late to this party but I always like to chip in on Luigi threads:
That other people were inspired to kill CEOs by this killing is irrelevant. I mean, it’s debatable that it’s true at all. But even if it were, that feels relevant only insofar as this is a jury trial - and thats not a bug of a jury trial, it’s a feature. Public sentiment doesn’t really get a say outside the 12 folks in the box.
There is a serious chain of evidence issue with the supposed murder weapon. Body cams are turned off, (improper) when Luigis bag is taken from him, and according to filings, that bag wasn’t searched until back at a local station over 30 minutes later. That strikes people as suspect as it’s outside normal procedure for cops, who would normally search a bag right away during the arrest. The cops were alone with that bag for 30 minutes prior to “finding” the gun. Most unbelievable, they expect us to believe that someone capable of this killing, and producing an inherently disposable 3D printed “ghost gun”, then failed to ditch it and carried it across state lines? He couldn’t find a garbage can to pitch it in over 24 hours later?
People say Luigi couldn’t be the adjuster because of the height/build difference between him and the security footage of Brian Thompsons shooting. I find this less convincing as the footage is extremely unclear. But I will say at the very least, nothing in that footage has been brought to my attention that supports Luigi being the shooter. No shill pundit or sweaty former prosecutor desperate for their 15 minutes has got on TV and said “See, here’s what the prosecution is going to point to to build their case.”
It would seem to me, that Luigi is a troubled young rich kid who wrote some critical, if meandering, things about his frustrations with US Healthcare, got accused by a McDonalds employee who was financially incentivized to see a suspect, had evidence planted by some cops hoping to catch this rising folk hero before anyone else got any ideas, and then got railroaded by the most corrupt DOJ since the Gilded Age.
If I’m on the jury, I haven’t seen ANYTHING that directly ties him to this shooting that wasn’t badly compromised by the cops. This is almost surely an acquittal or a hung jury.
My theory is that they know this, so what they will do is pull a Casey Anthony, whose case shared a similar situation of an extremely poor investigation that was almost certainly going to lead to an acquittal. They will slow walk the investigation and the trial for as long as legally possible, putting weeks and months between motions, and keep him in prison for as long as possible, because that will be the only time he will serve. Casey Anthony was found Not Guilty, but she still served over three years in prison.
Luigi may be ultimately released, but he will still sit in jail for several years of his life.
yea, his trial doesnt start until early next year, they are hoping people would forget luigi by then, and the distraction of the midterms, so they can do what they want with the courts.
on a side note, this is the reason people dont want to do jury duty
I support the movement behind Mangione but come on, he clearly murdered that guy.
This movement and support should be focused on electing politicians to change laws. Killing CEOs really will not fix anything. Killing one roach does not mean you got rid of cockroaches.
Why is it so clear to you? Because he’s the one paraded in front of the populace? Politicians are not on your side, stop believing you can vote your way out of anything. Voting got you all the way here, how’s that been going for ya?
CEOs aren’t cockroaches. They’re rational human beings. They can see what happens to their peers and adjust their behavior accordingly. If not there’s a perfectly manageable number of them to make an example of until the rest get the message. Politicians are in their pocket so we can’t rely on that angle to change anything.
I’m late to this party but I always like to chip in on Luigi threads:
That other people were inspired to kill CEOs by this killing is irrelevant. I mean, it’s debatable that it’s true at all. But even if it were, that feels relevant only insofar as this is a jury trial - and thats not a bug of a jury trial, it’s a feature. Public sentiment doesn’t really get a say outside the 12 folks in the box.
There is a serious chain of evidence issue with the supposed murder weapon. Body cams are turned off, (improper) when Luigis bag is taken from him, and according to filings, that bag wasn’t searched until back at a local station over 30 minutes later. That strikes people as suspect as it’s outside normal procedure for cops, who would normally search a bag right away during the arrest. The cops were alone with that bag for 30 minutes prior to “finding” the gun. Most unbelievable, they expect us to believe that someone capable of this killing, and producing an inherently disposable 3D printed “ghost gun”, then failed to ditch it and carried it across state lines? He couldn’t find a garbage can to pitch it in over 24 hours later?
People say Luigi couldn’t be the adjuster because of the height/build difference between him and the security footage of Brian Thompsons shooting. I find this less convincing as the footage is extremely unclear. But I will say at the very least, nothing in that footage has been brought to my attention that supports Luigi being the shooter. No shill pundit or sweaty former prosecutor desperate for their 15 minutes has got on TV and said “See, here’s what the prosecution is going to point to to build their case.”
It would seem to me, that Luigi is a troubled young rich kid who wrote some critical, if meandering, things about his frustrations with US Healthcare, got accused by a McDonalds employee who was financially incentivized to see a suspect, had evidence planted by some cops hoping to catch this rising folk hero before anyone else got any ideas, and then got railroaded by the most corrupt DOJ since the Gilded Age.
If I’m on the jury, I haven’t seen ANYTHING that directly ties him to this shooting that wasn’t badly compromised by the cops. This is almost surely an acquittal or a hung jury.
My theory is that they know this, so what they will do is pull a Casey Anthony, whose case shared a similar situation of an extremely poor investigation that was almost certainly going to lead to an acquittal. They will slow walk the investigation and the trial for as long as legally possible, putting weeks and months between motions, and keep him in prison for as long as possible, because that will be the only time he will serve. Casey Anthony was found Not Guilty, but she still served over three years in prison.
Luigi may be ultimately released, but he will still sit in jail for several years of his life.
yea, his trial doesnt start until early next year, they are hoping people would forget luigi by then, and the distraction of the midterms, so they can do what they want with the courts.
on a side note, this is the reason people dont want to do jury duty
I support the movement behind Mangione but come on, he clearly murdered that guy.
This movement and support should be focused on electing politicians to change laws. Killing CEOs really will not fix anything. Killing one roach does not mean you got rid of cockroaches.
Why is it so clear to you? Because he’s the one paraded in front of the populace? Politicians are not on your side, stop believing you can vote your way out of anything. Voting got you all the way here, how’s that been going for ya?
CEOs aren’t cockroaches. They’re rational human beings. They can see what happens to their peers and adjust their behavior accordingly. If not there’s a perfectly manageable number of them to make an example of until the rest get the message. Politicians are in their pocket so we can’t rely on that angle to change anything.