Some HOAs can be quite nice as they’re just there to add some basic community rules. However, many are hijacked by a handful of narcissistic individuals who let this insignificant amount of power go to their heads and they turn into a bunch Mussolinis
The Nazis also came to power democratically.
That’s not how it works. You can’t scream Nazis any time any government does anything. That’s not what fascism is nor is it what tyranny is. You’re just devaluing the meaning of these terms and showcasing your ignorance.
Just because something is a law doesn’t mean anything.
On the contrary, it matters a lot. The very foundation of liberal democracies is based on the idea that laws are everything. Nobody is above the law, everybody is equal in the eyes of the law, and the law is the public’s will. You can agree or disagree with individual laws, however, that doesn’t change the facts that laws are the source of legitimacy.
The UK here isn’t ignoring it’s laws, it’s not creating new laws to target specific groups, nor is it using these laws to wrongly punish people who did nothing wrong. Their terrorism laws have been created by democratically elected politicians who reflect the will of their people, the laws they created and voted upon are universal and well defined, and these laws have been established law for decades.
This groups intentionally violated these laws, they knew what they were doing, and now they’re facing the consequences of their actions. This isn’t tyranny, this is a normal society punishing criminals for breaking the law. This also law isn’t immoral because it seeks to ban harmful behavior in a fair and universal manner, and the punishments for these violations are all reasonable.
It’s also quite telling if your national security is tied to genociding children.
You don’t seem to get it. Being self righteous doesn’t give a free pass to be a terrorist no matter how you noble you think your cause is. If you excuse terrorism based on your ideological biases, then you don’t even have any ground to stand on because your position isn’t a principled one. No country is dumb enough to excuse group seeking to undermine their authority, damage public property, threaten national security, violate their laws, and sabotage public property, and rightfully so because they’ll be inviting chaos, violence, and instability into their societies.
If they gave this group a pass then they’ll be setting a precedent that other self righteous groups can get away with terrorism if they act like their cause is noble enough to be above the law. What kind of disastrous future would that bring? Are Russian Sympathizers now excused to go bomb the parliament when it’s out session because they don’t like the UK supporting Ukraine? Are Chinese sympathizers now excused to damage the London Bridge because the UK supports Taiwan and Tibet? Are a far right groups excused to sabotage the PJHQ because the UK supports immigration? Of course not, because that would be really, really stupid. If you do something wrong, you’re going face the consequences for it, simple as.
But this is your personal opinion, and I happen to disagree with it. Your only point of contention here is not the act itself, just the terrorism label. Personally, I think you’re focusing on the wrong things. The UK is a democratic country and the people voted in politicians that established their terrorism laws. These laws have been established law for decades, and thus, these laws are reflection of what terrorism mean to the British people. It’s their definition, their laws, their punishments. This groups intentionally violated them for a political cause, they know they were going to face consequences for doing so, and they are.
The only way this becomes an issue if this standard is not applied universally or equally, which doesn’t appear to be the case. The UK is not using terrorism laws to wrongly accuse other groups who didn’t do anything of terrorism, they’re not censoring people who advocate for the Palestinian cause because of this incident, and both the punishment this group is facing fits the crime in accordance with their laws. I don’t see an issue here tbh
There’s literally nothing tyrannical about this situation.
On one hand, you have a democratic country, the UK, that has voted in a set of well defined laws that clearly outline what terrorism means, what can be considered as terrorism, and what the consequences are for terrorist acts. These legal parameters have been established law for decades.
On the other hand, you have an activist group, Palestinian Action, that knowing and intentionally chose to violate these laws by illegally sneaking into an RAF base and intentionally damaging military equipment for political purposes.
Considering how this is a malicious act of sabotage, a breach of national security, and an attempt to undermine the British state, this organization fits the criteria to be designated as a terrorist group. Because of this British politicians, quickly employed the established terrorism laws to give them the designation. Not only because what they did is considered terrorism in the country, but also because they don’t want to set a precedent that this type of action gets a pass. They wanted to make it clear that such actions are an unacceptable red line, and those who cross will be swiftly punished.
So in essence. There were laws established democratically, a group intentionally violated them, and they’re now facing the consequences of doing so. The UK is not censoring their activism cause, they’re going after other groups that didn’t do anything wrong, and this group is not being punished over any free speech grounds. Calling this tyranny is ignorance.
I think it has less to do with the property damage and more to do with the implications of the incident and the intent behind it.
You have a group of people who premeditated a plan to sneak into a highly secured RAF airbase without proper authorization with the intention to damage military equipment owned by the state. This is a major breach of national security, it is an act of sabotage, and it causes direct harm to the British state as it’s a direct attempt to undermine the country’s military capabilities for political purposes.
That’s very good grounds to label the organization responsible as terrorist group. Keep in mind, agreeing or disagreeing with the cause of the activists is irrelevant here. You have to think about things from the point of the view of the state. If an attack like this doesn’t get properly punished, then what kind of precedent would that set? Does any self righteous group get a free pass to damage public property and undermine national security? The state cannot allow such avenues of instability to take hold. A red line has to be firmly set, and those who cross it have to face consquences.
The UK isn’t at war dingus.
Yes it does. In the UK, terrorism is defined more broadly, and the actions of this groups fall firmly within their legal definitions, hence why they were so swift with this designation.
Isn’t this the group that broke into a military airbase and damage several aircraft resulting in million of pounds worth of damages? I mean the security breach and the intent to maliciously damage the equipment is more than enough grounds to label the group as a terrorist group. If a right wing group or any other groups did this, everybody here would be calling them terrorists, and rightfully so. It makes sense for the UK to label this group as such, especially since they didn’t disavow the attack that happened.
The people who are trying to frame this as an attack on free speech are either full of shit and intentionally spreading misinformation or they’re ignorant enough to get their information from people who are full of shit and intentionally spreading misinformation. This is something that clearly has nothing to do with free speech.
Israel is terrible, but Iran is one of the few countries in the world that tops them.
They funded, supported, and armed Hezbollah in Lebanon hat has helped turn the country into a failed state
They funded, supported, and armed the Houthis in Yemen that helped turn the country into a failed state
They funded, supported, and armed Zaynabiyoun Brigade and Fatemiyoun DivisionIraq in Syria which helped make Syria’s civil war so much worse
They funded, supported, and armed Kataib Hezb Allah, Harakat Hezb Allah al Nujaba, Badr organization, Kataib Sayyad al Shuhada, and Asaib Ahl al Haq in Iraq which turned the country into a failed state
They directly helped create the conditions that led to the rise of ISIS in both Iraq and Syria
They are openly arming and supporting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
They support and fund Saraya al Ashtar and Saraya al Mukhtar in Bahrain to help destabilize the country
They fund, support, and arm the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas in Palestine to keep the country radical and violent against Israel (funny how Israel and Iran have the same goals here)
They supported the brutal Al Assad regime in Syria and helped keep him in power
They supported and funded Hezbollah al Hejaz in Saudi Arabia to try and destabilize the country
They literally have an entire branch in their military that’s specifically created for the purpose of arming proxy groups to destabilize the region (Quds force)
They have been oppressing and killing their own people to such a comical degree that they even make other authoritarian countries uncomfortable
They Idk what planet people on this site live on, but Iran is not a force for good in any capacity. The people who support them are either evil, ignorant, or both.
The Iranian theocracy over the past few years has been feeling real pressure because of how badly Israel has exposed them. Consider what Israel has done to them:
Haniyeh was assassinated in Tehran
Hezbollah got neutered
The Iranian embassy in Syria got bombed
They completely lost their proxies in Syria
They lost the Al Assad regime
They had their proxy groups in Palestine, Hamas and the PIJ, get bombed into oblivion
Their oil infrastructure keeps getting bombed and damaged
They had military bases inside country get attacked
Their nuclear facilities keep getting attacked and damaged
They had a bunch of their military leaders assassinated
They keep losing their top nuclear scientists
Mossad has repeatedly shown that it’s so balls deep in Iran’s affairs that they’re borderline running the country
Keep in mind this is just Israel, they’re also facing pressure from the US, UAE, KSA, and EU. The Iranian regime has shown time and time again that they won’t do anything substantial no matter what. It’s a sign that Iran hasn’t done anything because they can’t, which means they’re a paper tiger.
This is just external pressure. Internally, they’re also feeling the squeeze because the people DESPISE them:
There are massive protests in Iran every other year since the late 2000s. Here are some recent examples:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Amini_protests
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–2022_Iranian_protests
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–2020_Iranian_protests
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Iranian_general_strikes_and_protests
The mullahs and their regime have completely lost their legitimacy to the people of Iran and they’re only still in power because they still have the military on their side which they use to oppress the people. The regime’s only way to stay in power is to rule through fear and violence.
On top of this, Iran also has major separatist movements like Kurdistan, Balochistan, Iranian Azerbaijan, and the Arabs in Khuzestan. These groups and regions comprises half the country, and they all want out. The theocracy has to spend an insane amount of effort keeping them down.
So between power moves by foreign powers, the separatists, and the general population, the theocrats are getting squeezed from all sides. This means that the regime is very fragile and they could get ousted from power easily if they show too much weakness.
Iran has proven to the world that it is a paper tiger. It is horrendously weak, incompetent, corrupt, and unstable. Israel over the last few years has humiliated them time and time again, and Iran hasn’t been able to respond in kind. The theocracy regime is now feeling the squeeze both internally and externally.
The Oct 7 terrorist attacks weren’t ghetto uprising. They weren’t spontaneous, grassroots, or widespread. They were premeditated terrorist attacks by specific terrorist groups to cause as much harm as they could to the nearby Israeli population. The first and second intifadas could be argued as ghetto uprisings, this is nothing like that.
That’s the thing, the sheer amount of imbeciles who occupy these units make you question how society got to this point.