unless someone is truly interested in working with me on this project (…) there’s really no use in sharing it.
Yeah, but doesn’t it go both ways? How can people find out if their vision is aligned with yours unless you show what you have?
I mean, I share the feeling of not wanting to make any big announcement when it’s not usable, but at least putting out a link to the repo and some roadmap would help others to see if they would be interested in helping you.
Any particular reason to keep it private?
You don’t need a “platform”, you need a Fediverse indexer + search engine.
It’s Dan’s whole M.O: he gets excited about some new project, goes on a rushed coding rampage, releases some alpha-quality code, then loses interest and starts the chase for the next shiny toy.
the project is unfinished
Understatement of the year. Dan has posted “loops next week” for more than an year already…
I am not sure I follow. How would a troll cause trouble to an instance by lurking on a site?
usually to prevent spam and other crazy shit
but a registration shouldn’t be needed if you just want to browse and scroll.
It’s not a Federated platform like LinkedIn, but I am working on CareerCupid , a “OkCupid for jobs” website where people can answer questions about their values and goals, and then find out people that are the most compatible to work with. The website does work with ActivityPub though, you can follow @thecupid@cupid.careers and you can see the new polls and job listings published on the website.
There is no upvote system. no favourites system, no saved posts system.
There is no such thing as “upvote” on ActivityPub. This is an abstraction on top of the “Like” activity. If Misskey UI is geared only towards reactions and doesn’t have a way for users to “like” something, this is a Misskey problem, not a Fediverse one.
My point is, this discrepancy between platforms calls for standardized system.
And what people are trying to explain to you is that this “standardized system” already exists. ActivityStreams is the standard to define a vocabulary, and ActivityPub is the standard that defines what happens when data is sent between different servers.
The issue I am taking with your comment is that it seems that you are expecting developers to start backwards from an unified product vision and then build their way down to the standard. This only works well when you have one single entity controlling everything. It’s the “Apple Way” of developing products.
So this is not a “Fediverse problem”, but a Misskey one?
It looks like that first you need to be able to better articulate what do you mean “federating everywhere”, because I can follow a Lemmy community from Mastodon just fine, and you seem to be on Misskey, and we are communicating just fine.
IOW, “federation” is already working.
Perhaps you just mean that you want the UX from misskey to change depending on the source? And you are proposing that this should be done to all software?
Implementing communities for every platform would help the Fediverse
From Evan Prodromou, co-author of ActivityPub: The Fediverse should be more like the Facebook Platform (lots of client apps using the same social graph) rather than the Apple App Store (a bunch of one-feature apps that have to bootstrap their own social network each time).
The issue here is that most developers and users are still thinking in terms of the siloed networks. We don’t need “multiple, separate platforms”. We need to get rid of the platforms! We need to build our tools around protocols.
The WWW was incredibly successful because anyone could whip up some HTML and publish a webpage. The “protocol” of structured text alongside with links was simple to understand, any browser could do it. The Social Web should work the same.
What advantage does a “fediverse” frontend have?
Github’s dominance comes from the network effects. Everyone’s on github, so if you have your project on a different repo, you won’t get as many visibility. If your project is on gitlab only and someone wants to report a bug, they need to:
A Federated forge solves all of that.
I feel like we are talking about different things. You seem to be more focused on Reddit vs Lemmy, and I am talking about the “Closed” social networks vs the wider Fediverse.
People don’t really respond well to advertisements and influencers on Reddit either, for context.
The comparison is not to Reddit. It’s Instagram/TikTok/YouTube. Maybe you heard of those: it’s a place where WNBA players making $100k/year by playing can make $20k per Instagram sponsored post.
people tend to be democratic socialists/communists/anarchists”?
First, lumping together all these three ideologies as one single block is a bit handwavy. Second, I am not talking about “anti-corporate”. I’m talking about anti-business. If you think that the majority of people are that extreme in their political positions, I’d guess your worldview is quite skewed.
I simply don’t believe that a paywalled system as you imagine could ever even approach Reddits numbers, or even Blueskys.
This is a strawman: I’m saying “We should not have to rely on open registration instances and hope that the admins get enough funds to keep going”, which is not the same as “all instances should be paywalled”.
I think if we didn’t have as many open instances, we’d end up with more people self-hosting and running a server for their own friends, or we would start hearing from students asking their universities to run a server for them, or we would get hyper-localized instances where some group would pool resources to run a service for themselves, etc.
are major reddit subreddits in many cases.
Again, it’s not just about reddit. Also, it’s about having places where politics are not such a proeminent part of the discussion. E.g, Threads got a lot of their initial momentum by avoiding politics and getting sports journalists to post about NBA and football.
What’s stopping small businesses and influencers
There is nothing stopping them, but there is no one here that wants them to come:
What reporters?
There were a number of reporters from the NYT/WSJ/CNN who set up Mastodon accounts in 2022 and were harassed on Mastodon.
Does this, by the way, not depend on the instance?
Do you think that Fediverse is a good representation of the overall political spectrum?
What “different people” is the Fediverse afraid of?
My biggest frustration is that I sincerely believe that I had built like 80% of the tools needed to solve the onboarding issues:
These things are all right there. There was no single admin interested in implementing it. Everyone was just looking at their own few thousand users and never got together to think “how can we get from 50k to 5 million?”
No idea.
People went to Mastodon and faced a number of UX issues:
Because getting content was hard, they were basically thrown into a whole new ecossytem and were greeted by the OG Mastodon users, who were not at all welcoming: , complaining about “their space” being invaded, had many displays of “opression olympics”, made a point of being extra loud about their extremist views as an attempt to scare normies, demanded everyone to learn “proper manners” right away, put content warnings on anything, etc.
In other words, people didn’t go to Mastodon in 2024 because those that tried in 2022 were shunned away and left with the impression that the Fediverse is not for them.
I don’t know how you think the fediverse is somehow afraid of growth though.
For the reasons above. It’s not that they are “afraid of growth”, but the general culture on the Fediverse is reactionary and averse to change. Making it more universally appealing would mean bringing different people, and this is what they are afraid of.
I’m happy to be here regardless of whether we’re growing personally. In spite of Lemmy’s challenges I enjoy it here, and that’s enough for me.
I think this is a fine attitude if you are an user who just wants to enjoy a “slow web” kind of experience, but as someone aware of all the ill effects of Big Tech and Surveillance Capitalism, I wish we were more ambituous and aimed for a bigger slice of user share.
ok. Can I get an invite to the repo, then? :) I’m https://codeberg.org/raphael.