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    If you’re not Trinitarian and think Jesus, a man, is part of this small pantheon, then what I said does not apply to you (and that’s fantastic!).

    So mormons?

    And only works can save you (and we can’t know the line, that’s God’s judgment, we just do our best and hope for the best. Don’t you believe God is Wise, Just and Merciful?)

    Yes, which is why sin cannot go unpunished.

    Jesus commands us to “be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” (Matthew 5:48).

    This was immediately after teaching about lust and anger. He was quite clearly alerting everyone to their sin then and there.

    You then quoted St James. Who clearly teaches that saving faith produces works.

    James 2:21-24 ESV

    Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

    We are justified by works. But not saved

    Genesis 15:6 ESV

    And he (Abra(ha)m) believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness.

    This was before the altar event with Isaac in Genesis 22.

    And since we are quoting St James:

    James 2:8-13

    [8] If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. [9] But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. [10] For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. [11] For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [12] So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. [13] For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

    If you break one law, you are damned.

    Romans 6:23

    For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Emphasis on “free gift”. We don’t earn our salvation.

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      It’s not owed to us because nothing is, every moment of our lives is a gift and Heaven is also a gift, but we make ourselves more pleasing to God through our actions and He, being Merciful, allows us eternal life if we’re good boys and girls. We’re splitting hairs now, friend. If you work good deeds and honestly repent and change our bad ways as much as we can, God will take care of us. That’s the basis of belief regarding the Day of Judgment. That’s all.

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        That’s not what Jesus taught. If it’s all about good deeds, then we’re all going to hell. None of us are good. Not one.

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          Omg, that’s like the most black and white, Mariana Trench deep-in-the-spectrum way of seeing things… Of course no one is GOOD, “only the Father is good”, but we can be good enough (“strive to be perfect just as your Father is perfect”, knowing full well it’s a limit we’ll never touch). God made us this way, flawed and capable of both great evil and goodness, do you think he’s expecting more of us than reasonable righteousness?

          If this is just your way of saying “I can’t ever be good enough so why try?”, then that’s your prerogative. There’s no need to rationalize your way into Hell though, God is Just and Merciful, do your best and He’ll be pleased.

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            We can’t be good enough.

            do you think he’s expecting more of us than reasonable righteousness?

            Yes. His standard is perfect.

            God is Just and Merciful, do your best and He’ll be pleased.

            If He is Just based on our personal works, then he is sending us all to hell

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                Correct- I believe in Jesus - who is the God of Abraham, Moses and Solomon, and who throws Mohammed into the pits where there is eternal weeping and gnashing of teeth

                The false god Mohammed talked about was a weak and pathetic angry man in the sky who just made up rules.