They’d do anything but release the Epstein files
Hey, he had to be sacrificed for the 2A
I hope it was an illegal immigrant and they’ve already shipped him out of the country.
But the people making jokes are the real problem/s
Of course they want it, that’s why they had him killed.
The fact that they want to call everything
“false flags”
& the fact that their go to move is projection
definitely makes this whole thing pretty sus to me.
only the influencers are calling this, drum up shit to gain more views.
There’s this perverse incentive in how these people make money and a living. If they abandoned the culture war, they’d be broke.
ANY excuse to openly target liberals.
They don’t even know who did it and they want retribution? It could have been a pelestian illegals immigrant for all they know.
They already deported the suspect. The perfect escape.
I can excuse a room full of slaughtered schoolchildren, but I draw the line at one dead guy!
School kids no, politicians what?, LGBTQ+ lol, immigrants whatever, but a POS grifter who dedicated his life to spreading hate, lies, racism, propaganda, protecting pedos, and who has done more damage to this country than most other people. TIME FOR WAR!!!
Well yeah, it’s the pedos and racists and haters who are angry about people being gleeful
Yes exactly! Since trump was elected in 2016 this country has gone from “we the people” to “me, me, ME!”
Retribution against who? We don’t know who did it or if they were associated with any group.
The ‘who’ was decided long before Kirk was shot. Trump has been praying for this day. He doesn’t give a shit about who shot Kirk. Trump can tell his cultists anything and they will believe it. Shit, Trump could have shot Kirk himself, on camera, and his imbecile army would believe it was the ghost of Jimmy Carter if Trump said so. People are saying that this is the spark that will touch off Trump’s retribution. Bitches, his retribution was already well underway.
Shit, Trump could have shot Kirk himself, on camera, and his imbecile army would believe it was the ghost of Jimmy Carter if Trump said so.
This is actually unironically true, and it’s unbelievably sad.
Yep.
The fbi fuck didn’t make a “mistake”.
This was planned
to justify the violence they want to do
against the “left” aka anyone who doesn’t go along with the nazi “maga” project 25 agenda.
I’m pretty sure you know who: whoever they’re scapegoating this month, which is probably us.
But the real reason they want a civil war is that they think they have the upper hand and can establish minority rule.
That’s an impressive amount of exactly-right squeezed into very few words.
They do have the upper hand. They have the military, the supreme court, the congress and the executive. The 2024 election was literally the last chance to stop what’s here and what’s to come.
You’re dumb, the right always know who did what. They are basically all Sherlock Holmes. /s
Headline: Ammo Found In Charlie Kirk Assassination Engraved With Pro-Trans, Anti-Fascist Ideology
I don’t think it’s a false flag operation. But this makes it sound like a false flag operation
My understanding is that info is bogus. Notice it comes from the WSJ.
Multiple outlets are reporting the same information though.
All of the ones I can find point back to the WSJ as the source. Are there any that have a different source saying that?
Here’s more, but you can just google the keywords “charlie kirk shooter trans” and find more. It’s not fully confirmed by every agency yet, I’ve just seen it reported by multiple sources is all.
Neither of those articles mention the word “trans” at all. It looks more likely that that part’s BS.
You think that’s going to stop a determined idiot?
No, the question is purely rhetorical.
Do literally anything, you doughy fucking turds.
The GOP is already at war with us. They are stealing all of our public funding, they are taking away vaccines that save our lives, they are sending in armed military to keep us in fear, and they have purchased the supreme court to give them whatever they want.
The war started in January when the pedophile got into office.
They’re just mad they got punched back
We don’t even know that. Its completely possible kirk was cheating on his wife with the killer and things did not end amicably.
In most cases of murder the murderer is somebody the victim knew.
Please God, if you exist, let this have been done by a jilted lover. Give us a sign that there’s a light at the end of the tunnel and we’re on track towards the funniest timeline.
I hope it was a diehard Trump supporter.
They always lie and say it was a leftist anyway. The truth is what trump says not what we see with our eyes.
Yeah… I know. I can hope though.
Supposed pictures of the shooter are out now. It’s a white male, who could have figured that one out!?!?!
So, people on the right are calling for violence against the left? And this is different from any other day ending in Y because…?
This is something a lot of people don’t seem to understand. The right has already been calling for leftists to be dragged to the streets and executed. Celebrating a dead Nazi isn’t going to change that.
In DC they just straight up fabricated some bullshit. People who think kirk getting a lead pill changes anything are delusional.
What about the assassination of a senator? Did that also upset the right, or where they all cheering?
It’s okay if they kill a demon-rat. The brain washing combined with stupidity dissolves them of any wrong doing.
What other time in history did people call other people rats and cockroaches?
Can’t recall. There’s nothing Tutsi here though.
On one hand, I agree with the point. Political assassinations should be condemned by the right, and it shouldn’t be acceptable to have people giving a pass on political grounds.
On the other hand, I was reading the comments on here after Kirk was shot, and almost without exception, people here were cheering. I saw one or two comments from people saying something like “political assassinations are bad”, and people heavily downvoting them.
Now, okay. I can’t prove that some of the users commenting and cheering on the assassination weren’t, say, bots aimed at trying to create political division and polarization, though I doubt that the Threadiverse is likely the juciest of targets for that sort of thing; not a huge userbase. But my strong suspicion is that we are failing to meet the bar being asked of the right here.
I was reading the comments on here after Kirk was shot, and almost without exception, people here were cheering.
And I’d bet if you read the comments in some fringe, right-leaning boards, you’d have heard people cheering for the governor being killed, or Pelosi being attacked, etc.
What matters is the response of those in charge. People are asking leadership to take action. No one gives a shit about random internet posters.
As an example, Biden put out a statement condemning the assassination attempt against Trump. Trump is calling for retribution against the Left here.
I certainly see where you’re coming from; there’s a difference though.
Charlie Kirk was fighting to overturn the social contract; he didn’t think the country has to accommodate LGB (and especially T) folks, atheists, Muslims, leftists, single women, et cetera. Hell, he loved political violence directed against Democrats.
People who break the social contract should not be surprised when they lose its protection.
Tolerance is not a paradox; it is a social construct. The difference between the assassination of the Minnesota state rep and the assassination of Charlie Kirk is that the Kirk was openly inciting violence against others. He rejected the social construct and was thus no longer protected by it.
I’ll celebrate the death if anyone who’s entire existence is to being more pain, cruelty, and hatred into this world. CEO of an evil corporation? Spokesperson for a nazi propaganda network? Corrupt politician that has repeatedly voted against protecting minorities, rent control, of universal healthcare? They have all spread violence and misery to hundreds of millions of people because they thought they were untouchable.
You know Charlie Kirk repeatedly said dead children were a small price to pay for the second amendment?
Do you weep for dead Nazis? I don’t.
Yeah, the problem I’m seeing now is that everyone on the right is seeing the left’s reaction. And now they don’t care if the shooter actually was someone from the left or not.
The response they see is all they need to justify any reaction. Of course they’re conveniently forgetting their own response (and Charlie Kirk’s response) to Pelosi’s attacker.
Like they needed to justify it…
Lemmykins are incredibly hypocritical.
And of course the right winger regurgitates the old moronic “So much for the tolerant left”.
Read up on the paradox of tolerance.
Swing and a miss.
No right minded person is going to give empathy for a dead Nazi, but look at you go.
Stop feeding the troll. Block it and move on.
Strike two!
I hope you don’t fall off all the way up there bud
Maybe, yeah. But I’m thinking more that it’s that they’re human, and maybe humans on both sides aren’t all that great at holding themselves to that bar. Like, maybe it’s not that Threadiverse users are particularly abnormal as people go, and more that the normal person isn’t very good at refraining from giving “their side” a pass.
But I’m thinking more that it’s that they’re human, and maybe humans on both sides aren’t all that great at holding themselves to that bar.
Oh, you’re absolutely right. Both sides absolutely think “I’m going God’s righteous work” and that the other side is simply “evil”. The hyper-partisanship has been crazy for some time on both sides. And then along comes a sociopath authoritarian (Trump) to just kick it all up to 11…
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I’m of two minds about celebrating his death, in that I do, but I agree that people cheering vigilante killings is a sign of an unhealthy society. We definitely have an unhealthy society, and it seems like there’s not a functioning justice system for prosecuting people who foment hatred or commit societal murder, but this could lead to an American Reign of Terror, which would obviously be tragic.
That said, there’s a difference between being glad someone’s gone and declaring war on half of the political spectrum. I won’t say it definitely didn’t happen, but I didn’t see anyone suggesting that we take revenge for that senator, even on Lemmy. Certainly not in as widespread a manner as I’m now seeing it for Charlie Kirk.
State level politicians are less likely to have impact outside their state. Nobody knew Hortman. Kirk was known by virtually everyone. Much bigger impact, much bigger reaction.
2/4 of the people I talked to yesterday had no idea who he was, so not as big to folks who don’t end up seeing the full stage.
Exactly. I think most of America had no idea who he was. My wife had no clue who Kirk was. We even watched that South Park episode where Cartman mimics him. I assumed she knew who he was for some reason.
I’ve known about him since the 2016 election. I was appalled by his early 20s, raving mad MAGA character. I thought we were stuck with him for decades and decades because he was so young. Nope.
I also was not super familiar outside recognizing his name. I did a quick read on Wikipedia. Literally the only thing he has ever done in life is to sell hatred and lies to the maga idiots of my country, and he was sadly very successful at it. Also his wife is a former Miss America. Taking this fuckwit off the board is a net positive for human society.
I only knew of him as some right wing edgelord troll type until a month ago or so. Never saw him speak.
Given that the reaction from media on the left also shows a very different reaction Kirk vs. Hortman, I think your estimation of the difference between the two is not reflective of what’ll be the final reaction to these two events.
These are national talking heads. They know about all these events.
